Behringer V-amp... IT RUUUUULES!!!!!

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MISTERQCUE

Not Just Anutha Brutha
Ok, I got a chance to check out and auditon a Behringer V-amp
modeler (see POD) and this blue,guitar-body shaped thingy is ON THE MONEY! D@mn, if this thing don't re-create sounds almost similar (AND in some cases, sounds better) than a POD!!.:eek:
I did a A/B of both using the "British-Tweed" and the V-amp sounded cleaner than the POD! Even the simulated wah-wah pedal (which can be controlled via an external midi pedal) re-creates that "SHAFT" vox-wah CLEARLY! This Thingy also contains a sort of adjustable L/R inputs so you can hook up a c/d or tape player and a drum machine! Alsoooooo, ya' just gotta check out the "FEEDBACK DISTORTION" on this baby!!! It ROCKS!!!! and for $179.00!!??? MAN, you can't beat that price!
I didn't have the time to check out the other patches and amp simulations, but the standard efx such as Chorus,Flange,'Verbs
are all pretty smooooth! I just ordered mine: WHEN R U gonna get yours!!??

Just my .0000000002 cents opinion!
Peace
Mr.Q
 
MQ

Congrats on your purchase AND it's also your 1,900th post.
Now I'm supposed to ask you "What are you gonna do next" and you say "I'm going to Disneyland!"

OK- I'll go down to GC and play the ('gulp') Behringer. Anyways, I've always wanted to play the theme song from Shaft. (He's a bad mother....Shut yer mouth!)

More Peace,

CerealMonster
 
Damn! just as I have made up my mind on the DG Stomp over the POD, now this?! :)

hmmm, I wonder how does the V-amp fair as a preamp and in direct recording? any testimonies?

The price is definately very attractive..... :)
 
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Ah Jeez, Q, you're killing me!! :D :D :D

I just got a Sam Ash catalog today that said there's a $100 rebate coming on the POD and I was starting to drool big time. Now I see this. NOW what do I do?!?!?!?
 
Just a smug observation...

The price of modeling preamps keeps going down. Even the same models just lose value.
The cost of genuine tube amps keeps going up.
Coincidence ? :)


Peace,
Rick
 
No they're not the real thing, but they do serve a purpose

Well, I don't get to play much before 10:00 PM, so the price for using a good tube amp would be high indeed. My wife and neighbors would either rip off certain body parts, rip me new ones, or both. :rolleyes:

I'm not kidding myself that amp modelers and drum machines are as good as the real thing - they're basically the blow up dolls of the music world. :D But for me, and probably most other people using them, these tools are part "necessary evil" and part blessing. I'm thankful they exist and that they keep getting better because they're the compromise that lets me keep
playing and recording at all and still make as good as sounding a recording as I can.
 
Basically I'm going to use the thingy as a DI box fro my sorry-@ss guitar playing! I have the POD and am very satisfied with it, but as you well know, I am a FULLY ADDICTED GEAR ,NEED'S EXTENSIVE GEAR-REHAB,"JUNKIE!!!" . The patch that impresses me the best is the DISTORTION/FEEDBACK! No excessive noise or humm(READ-ZOOM) and excellent note sustaining harmonics. I f U get a chance, I recommend U check it out!
 
POD too, huh?

Soooooo, if the V-amp is such hot stuff are you gonna be selling your POD? You know, that might help finance some more gear!. :D :D :D :D :D


Actually, did you try recording with it when you tested it out? I'm really curious to see how well it works. If I can figure out how to sell the concept to my "financial director" I'd like to get a direct recording tool sometime soon and I might give this one some consideration.
 
Mr. Q. If you have some kind of device that splits the signal, you can play through your Pod and V-Amp at the same time.

I've read some other people rave about the V-amp on another site. I'll definitely check it out.
 
Wide Awake,

Mind me asking which site? I was looking for some more info last night but couldn't find much yet, just 2 reviews on Harmony Central.
 
The reviews I read were just from people who had played it at the European trade show. They weren't detailed reviews, but first impressions. It was at musicplayer.com forums. (Craig Anderton)
 
Most excellent idea Wide Awake! Most definitely will try it!
 
low sample rate

I was kind of excited about this amp too. I have a POD, and I love it, lets me wail at 3 am in the living room... And it seemed to me that having 24-bit converters would give this tool an edge on the PODs and J-Stations of the world...

The only thing is, hidden way in the back there, the sampling rate. Why the hell would anybody make a digital audio device with 24-bit A/D and D/A, capable of calculating 100 million instructions per second, and then set the sample rate at 31.25 kHz? They hide this spec pretty well, but you can find it on page 21 of the manual at http://www.behringer.de/eng/support/manuals/default.htm. Not really acceptable for decent digital recording... maybe that explains all the noise in the Musician's Friend samples. Also, if you read the manual, you'll see that all the amp models are exactly the same as the POD's. But the POD includes an extra 16 models that are built into the factory presets, and accessible through SoundDiver, so you effectively get twice the preamp for about 1/3 more cost...

No company should even bother with less than 44.1 kHz if they expect musicians to get good results from it. I'm not putting down people who buy this thing... when it's 100$ in a year I might buy one for variation... In the end, I think it'll be a fun toy, but not much more than that. I am really kind of disappointed with Behringer, I think that's a very poor design choice and shows that this was a rush, knock-off job...
 
You got a good point there charger! I noticed that rate also and
was sort of discouraged,however on certain patches,when I auditioned the thing, (with the music store's Les Paul) the grunge
and tonality I heard was most acceptable for my needs.
It reminds me when I bought a Boss SP 202 sampler I got at a bargain basement price of 129.00 (display unit) at Sammy's. It also uses a sampling rate of 31.25 and when using the samplers
internal memory, inherent noise and lack of clarity was present.
However upon purchasing a 4mb SmartMedia card and bypassing the units internal banks, I was able to sample at 44.1 (though the units total time is clocked at 37 minutes memory at the lowest sample rate) I was able to squeeze out 6 1/2 minutes of
sample memory @ 44.11 What the hell is my point!!?? There are patches at that sample rate (31.25) in the V-amp that are extremely efficient and provide transparent clarity in amp-modeling and standard efx! Some of which (mind you,I have a pretty decent EAR) that rivals the POD! I am presently waiting for delivery to give it a full work out and a complete A/B comparison
with the POD,AND,if necessary,I'm not satisfied with what I paid for, I most certainly return it and buy 12 6-packs of Heinekens and 8 cases of BUD! If you get the opportunity to audition it,please do so and let me know your own opinions!
Peace
Mr.Q
 
I didn't know that about the J-station, I should look into that. I'm just saying, for 50$ more (250 with 100$ rebate versus $199), the POD is still a great deal. And yeah, I was thinking that might give it a nice lo-fi sound... but I don't know if I would spend 200$ for a lo-fi guitar sound, when I have myriad plugins that will let me degrade my sample rate after recording...

Please post samples once you get it going, i'd be especially interested to hear head-to-head sounds of the same amp setups with the same guitar, etc...
 
The Reason for such a low sample rate

Okay, this month. theresa review of the V-Amp in Sound on Sound. For those of you who havent read it, heres a quote regarding the sampling rate....
"The sample rate is 31.25kHz, which equates to an audio bandwidth of around 15kHz. Given that most speakers take a dive above 3kHz, this should be more than adequate"
There you go, words from the legendary Paul White. (Veteran of the Mus Tech UK scene)
And he does have a point, even if a standard speaker has a fall off of 3dB, by the time it even gets to 15kHz, then it'll be bearly audible.
Also, the standard tone control circuit on a Strat doesnt go that high anyway. Really, whats the point in sampling for a bandwidth of 20kHz, when
(a) The humar ear doesnt really hear over 18Khz
(b) guitars dont have that kind of frequency response, unless your feeding back like a demon, in which case, whats the point with an amp simulator!!!!

So come on people, please use a little bit of sense. The V-Amp isnt designed to use in the most proffesional places, thats why it's so cheap. (campared to it's competitors).

Also, is there anyone actually recording at 96Khz these days?????? I doubt it, the majority of Speakers and Amplifiers arent designed to work at such frequencies!

Just my little rant...

Rochey
 
it's a nice justification, BUT...

if you were recording a piece with ONLY solo electric guitar, or only multiple electric guitars, would you be comfortable recording the whole session at 33 kHz?

or put it this way: would you buy any other piece of digital equipment nowadays that sampled at this rate? what you're forgetting is that the POD and others are designed to simulate not just the sound of a guitar speaker, but the sound of the air in a room and a lot of other factors that contribute to a guitar's recorded tone. I doubt you will see many engineers throwing 15k low-pass filters on their guitar inputs.

And in any case, you still get 1/4 less samples of your guitar tone coming out of the V-amp then you would if you recorded it any other way (direct, J-Station, POD). Corners were cut at Behringer, and the cost-effective box you're talking about is still pricey at 200$ -- compared to the 150$ J-Station and the 250$ Pod. I'm still disappointed...
 
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