Behringer Truth B2031A

[Jack Real]

Hi

I just bought a pair of Behringer Truth B2031A. I like them a lot. It's amaizing the bass I can hear with those monitors. I would like to know what are the limitations of the Behringer compared to the best monitors on the market ? Also, I'm putting the room adjustment low to -2 DB because the sound is too boomy when it's at 0 DB. My guess is that the room has to be acoustically adjusted to be able to appreciate those monitors at 0 DB. Am I right ? Am I losing a lot of quality by doing this ? The monitors are in my living room and I would like to keep the room as it is.

Thanks,

Jack Real.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I just bought a pair of Behringer Truth B2031A.

Congratulations... I think!

I like them a lot.

That's good!

I would like to know what are the limitations of the Behringer compared to the best monitors on the market ?

I guarantee the ADAMs will make them sound like hell by comparison, but that's not the point, is it? If they work for you, then that's all that matters. There's a learning curve to translating mixes for aany monitor you buy.

Also, I'm putting the room adjustment low to -2 DB because the sound is too boomy when it's at 0 DB. My guess is that the room has to be acoustically adjusted to be able to appreciate those monitors at 0 DB. Am I right ?

SOmething like that - your room acoustics play a big part in how the monitors sound (room dimensions, speaker placement), so if they sound better with the low-end dropped down a couple of dB, so be it!

Am I losing a lot of quality by doing this ? The monitors are in my living room and I would like to keep the room as it is.

Why would you lose quality? If it sounds better, then it's better!

 

[Jack Real]

Hi Bruce

Thanks for the answer. I'm looking forward to work on old and new mixes with those monitors.

/Jack Real

 

[johnnymegabyte]

A friend got these speakers, and also uses a subwoofer with a cross-over.
Together he gets a great all-around sound.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

A friend got these speakers, and also uses a subwoofer with a cross-over.
Together he gets a great all-around sound.

Don't forget, "great" is a pretty subjective description when it comes to speakers.

Excellent speakers in a bad room sound just as awful as bad speakers in a good room.

 

[gManiaxe]

I bought myself some about a month ago. They ARE really nice.
While I was buying them I got to listen to a whole range of different
speakers, including a pair of uber expensive ones.

The difference between the uber expensive ones and the
Truths, to my ears, was that the speakers seemed to disappear
out of the equation with the uber ones. I don't know if I can
really explaing this properly. There was just a wall of sound,
and you could pick out the individual instruments as if they
were physically in the room with you.

The Truths are awesome speakers for the price. I heard speakers
that cost twice as much that I didn't like, or were of the same
standard.

Behringer appear to be doing a great job at bringing prices down,
while keeping the quality up.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Behringer appear to be doing a great job at bringing prices down, while keeping the quality up.

Well... I wouldn't go THAT far as to say that......!

 

[gManiaxe]

Well... I wouldn't go THAT far as to say that......!

Can you buy a similar quality pair of speakers for less than
the price of the Truths?

But yeah, maybe that was too broad a statement.

 

[Raw-Tracks]

Behringer appear to be doing a great job at bringing prices down,
while keeping the quality up.

Actually Behringer is doing a great job of forcing their competitors to put all of their R&D efforts into designing the cheapest products possible. Companies that used to always be pushing the envelope and coming out with cutting edge products are now wasting all of their time and effort trying to make their products cheaper so that they can compete.

Here is something to ponder: Behringer is forcing their competitors to design cheaper crap. Those competitor's aren't coming up with new technology anymore because they are busy making their current technology cheaper in order to compete with Behringer. Behringer has been notorious for copying, emulating or stealing their competitor's designs. A vicious cycle is created. As Behringer keeps forcing the market price down, very few new ideas/products are being designed or released. Eventually the price will be so low, most of Behringer's competitors will be out of business. Then what will we be left with? We'll be left with Behringer, who won't be able to come up with any new technology, becuase they never had to in the past. Then where are you going to get your gear?

Does that have anything to do with this thread? I don't know. OH, ok, B2031's? Sure they're cheap. I also find them harsh and fatiguing. As for the original poster's inquiry as to whether or not it's OK for him to use the bass tilt on the B2030's, like previously mentioned, it's fine. If your mixes translate better when using the bass tilt, by all means, continue to use it. One thing to consider, though, is where the monitors are placed in your room. Are they near any walls or corners?

 

[LemonTree]

Can you buy a similar quality pair of speakers for less than
the price of the Truths?

Yeah you can. IMHO better infact. I A/B'd a set (and C'd?) of truths in the listening room of sound control along with a set of tannoy reveals and wharfdale 8.2A's. I went home with the Wharfdales and havent looked back.

Try a search for Wharfdale 8.2a on here and see what you pull up. But I'll add I wouldn't buy a pair of monitors on someone elses word. Everyones ears are different. It's what works for you. Take CDs you're familiar with and really listen. It's the only way to go. Good luck

Alec

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

The Truths are awesome speakers for the price. I heard speakers
that cost twice as much that I didn't like, or were of the same
standard.

Keeping in mind that monitor choice is rather subjective, I don't think they're that awesome -- IMO they have a flabby low-end, sucked-out mids, and a choked high-end... I think people would be better off with Yorkville YSM-1s!

 

[MISTERQCUE]

Here is something to ponder: Behringer is forcing their competitors to design cheaper crap. Those competitor's aren't coming up with new technology anymore because they are busy making their current technology cheaper in order to compete with Behringer. Behringer has been notorious for copying, emulating or stealing their competitor's designs. A vicious cycle is created. As Behringer keeps forcing the market price down, very few new ideas/products are being designed or released. Eventually the price will be so low, most of Behringer's competitors will be out of business. Then what will we be left with? We'll be left with Behringer, who won't be able to come up with any new technology, becuase they never had to in the past. Then where are you going to get your gear?

That has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read in re to Behringer products!!!
Do you HONESTLY believe that Behringer,which produces barely adequate to mainly,sub-standard rec'ding gear,forces it's competitors to lower thier unit's pricing based on Beh's penchant for selling thier line of crap @ 40%+ less!!??
Do you think Beh's "tube pres" will force Neve,Avalon,Grace, Sebatron,etc. out of business!!?? Do you think SSL,Ghost,A&H,Sd.Trcs or even Mackie will close shop because Behringers straight-out-of-the-garbage line of mixers (MX9000,please!!) priced @bargain-basement prices & constructed with parts not even the Chinese would touch, had any effect on them!!??

Simply put, just because a Company floods a particular market (in this case,rec'ding gear) with low-priced,cheaply-constructed and copied products,
it will in no way affect those Companies who offer mid to hi-end (& professional) gear for those who are seeking to upgrade to a superior level of quality & performance.

"Ohhhh, but this a HOMERECORDING site where most of us are not blessed with deep pockets....annnd the Behringer's are so cheap and LOOK so cool"......or the infamous "This is the best/one of the best/best bang for the buck/better than the big boys/...etc"! Believe me, there's nothing wrong with any-1 offering thier own opinion or recommendation but don't hype a product w/o A/B or C'ing comparison to another unit.
Some years back, I did the same w. Cuzzin' Bruce Blue Bear hyping the Composer Pro (yes, I do own several pieces of Beh gear) w/o the benefit of comparing. He in turned flipped me to the RNC where I learned to compare gear if and whenever I can!

Peace
Q.rM

 

[Raw-Tracks]

That has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read in re to Behringer products!!!
Do you HONESTLY believe that Behringer,which produces barely adequate to mainly,sub-standard rec'ding gear,forces it's competitors to lower thier unit's pricing based on Beh's penchant for selling thier line of crap @ 40%+ less!!??
Do you think Beh's "tube pres" will force Neve,Avalon,Grace, Sebatron,etc. out of business!!?? Do you think SSL,Ghost,A&H,Sd.Trcs or even Mackie will close shop because Behringers straight-out-of-the-garbage line of mixers (MX9000,please!!) priced @bargain-basement prices & constructed with parts not even the Chinese would touch, had any effect on them!!??

Yes, I honestly believe that Behringer is having that effect on many of their competitors. You're right, Behringer is not going to do much damage to a company like Neve, Avalon, Grace, or Sebatron. Funny you should mention Mackie. They are probably one of the hardest hit by the Behringer plague. Mackie has been forced to start building darn near everything in China now. Yes, their quality is suffering as a result. Mackie has introduced the "Tapco" line to try to compete with Behringer. I am also talking about companies like DBX. They are putting quite a bit of effort into coming out with cheaper graphic eq's and etc to compete with the Behringer stuff.

 

[xstatic]

I don't think that Behringer has affected any of the companies. I don't think that Mackie has changed gears. They are releasing products in several different price brackets and IMO have released more products in the past two years than average for them. The high end companies aren't affected in the least in my opinion. I don't know of anyone that had money for and was looking for an Avalon, and then went out and bought a Behringer instead. DBX has released some cheaper graphic EQ's, but they haven't slowed down one bit with their other lines. If nothing else, Behringer may have helped DBX out. Behringer may have opened their eyes to the fact that there are a lot of consumers who will only pay X amount of dollars for things. So now they are offering products in that price range AS WELL AS their pride and joy products.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Trust me - the big boys are hardly concerned about Behringer. In general, the people buying low-end budget gear like that are not even close to the demographic market for the high-end gear.

The high-end stuff is, and always will be, marketed PRIMARILY to audio professionals.

 

[MISTERQCUE]

Trust me - the big boys are hardly concerned about Behringer. In general, the people buying low-end budget gear like that are not even close to the demographic market for the high-end gear.

The high-end stuff is, and always will be, marketed PRIMARILY to audio professionals.

'Nuff said !!!

 

[noisedude]

I think at some level Behringer have had a negative effect on the market. To dismiss that altogether's a bit unfair.

But when you compare it to the strides they've made in making home recording available to the masses (note I didn't say HIGH QUALITY) then it outweighs any other effect they've had.

QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ - Good news. My UB1204 is being sold to a 'friend' very shortly. My C1000S is going the same way too!

 

[jeffree]

Speaking of budget and Mackie, has anyone been using any of Mackie's new budget Tapco (S5 or S8) monitors? I see so little about them in these threads that I have to wonder if Mackie/Tapco has broken any new ground...

J.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I think at some level Behringer have had a negative effect on the market. To dismiss that altogether's a bit unfair.

Hmmm... explain how you think Massenburg, Manley Labs or any of the other high-end manufacturers have been hurt by Behringer?!?

 

[noisedude]

I don't think they have, and I never said I thought that!

But the price game has had some negative impact at the bottom end, because the endgame of lowest price possible has spawned companies such as Phonic and Alto who make crap. Behringer made their first Truths to try and get some cred in the marketplace, but as they were Genelec clones that didn't really work.

Obviously the pros still get the best gear, the reason being that they can hear quality rather than price. For those starting out, it's the highest numbers with the lowest price, hence why a 16-channel mixer can be called a UB2442, whereas a Soundcraft M12 is really 16-channel. This is the effect Behringer have had on the lower end of the market.

But don't sweat it, Bruce, you don't live in the lower end of the market!