behringer eurorack to PC

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if i want to hook a behringer eurorack up to my PC so that i can get each track to my computer recorded individually... what would the cheapest solution be? i think i obviously am gonna need a soundcard... but what kind? and what sorta wire? etc.

its a eurorack mx802a.

thanks,
jay.
 
Personally, for that small of a mixer, maybe a Delta 44/66 and a few TRS wires and you should be set.
 
ok so im looking at the delta 44/46 and the audiophile 2496

when i look at the specs online... it looks like these things all have mic inputs... so do i even need my mixer?

i don't get it... how will i hook up my mixer to these sound cards so that i can get all 4 tracks to record seperately onto my computer... what wires would i need and where would i hook them up? somehow hook up the mixer to the sound card inputs i presume? why not just put the mics directly into the sound card if it has all the inputs anyway... am i just buying another mixer?

i found a really good deal on a "MobilePre USB"... will this help me?

sorry im new at this :)

jay.
 
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well I can't remember what the audiophile specifically has, I think it was 2 ins 2 outs for RCA, in/out on spdif, and midi in out so 6... but if you get the Delta 44 (only difference between the 44 & 66 is 66 has SPDIF) than you would connect channel 1 on the mixer to input 1 on the delta 44, and then channel 2 of the mixer into input 2 of the delta 44, and then channel 3 to input 3 etc...On the program itself, you either arm all inputs/tracks, or you arm 1, or whatever you want to record. So if you want to record whatever sound you ot going to channel 1 & 3, you arm the tracks with inputs 1 & 3. Then it only records 1 & 3, regardless if your playing on 2 & 4 (unless your routing 2 to 1 and 4 to 3 but that's a different story). You would basically need TRS to TRS for each channel to connect from mixer to interface. From interface to speakers, you'll need whatever plugs you need to hook up your speakers to TRS (1/4) and you could send your speakers sound through outputs 1 & 2 on the Delta 44, and then on 3 & 4 you could send to CD burner, outboard gear, back into mixer to mix, headphones etc.

none of those btw have mic inputs. they are all line inputs. Mic levels are lower than line level, so you'll still need a preamp, which your mixer most liekly has.
 
problem is he dosnt have direct outs all that that has are aux sends and mains
 
For separate tracks, you need separate inputs on your sound card/interface.

For example, the Audiophile 24/96 has 2 analog inputs. That means 2 separate tracks at one.

If I had a mixer with 8 inputs, I could record 8 instruments at once, but still only 2 separate tracks. I'd have to mix them into a stereo file with the mixer.

So it really depends on how many inputs/how many tracks you want to record at once. And of course your budget.
 
i really appreciate all the help.

as someone up there said... the behringer doesnt have individual inputs for each track... but it does have all kinds of outputs... setereo aux outs, stereo aux returns, tape in/out, ctrl r out, main out... google behringer mx802a to see what it looks likes....

is it possible with this mixer to get more than 2 tracks into my computer? or is my best bet a 2-track interface because that's all my mixer can support?

jay.
 
I've got a Eurorack and a 2496. I usually run the Tape out (eurorack) to the RCA input (m-audio). I like the effect of this, but it is always a mix, not each track seperated.
It sounds like you want to somehow map each track on the Behringer to a different output and then somehow connect them each seperately to the sound card? I'm pretty sure there's no way to do that. Each of the outputs on the mixing board is going to send out a mix of all the tracks, and there won't be much difference between them. If you want separate tracks, you'll need to either record them seperately or get a lot more complicated equipment.
 
okay thanks again for the help.

i think im going to get a dual input soundcard... and then use each input for the left/right on the eurorack...

and then i can use the fader on the mixer to control each track on the mixer between the left and right channel, which will be inputting to different tracks on the sound card.

seems like the simplest solution for my setup, as i don't think i can get more than 2 tracks going into the computer.

jay.
 
In order to do what you are wanting to do, your mixer needs to have an output on each channel. You can use a send/receive output with a modified TRS plug, or the "one click" method, but you need some kind of output on each channel....
 
Wait a minute!!!

jaihu said:
okay thanks again for the help.

i think im going to get a dual input soundcard... and then use each input for the left/right on the eurorack...

and then i can use the fader on the mixer to control each track on the mixer between the left and right channel, which will be inputting to different tracks on the sound card.

seems like the simplest solution for my setup, as i don't think i can get more than 2 tracks going into the computer.

jay.
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Give me some time to look at the 802 documentation. My gut feeling is I think you could use more inputs on a soundcard by using alternate outputs (meant for a monitor mix).
 
No, sorry

you are limited with that mixer to two outputs. If you are detemined to stick with that mixer (and you might want to rethink that) then I would say the Audiophile is the way to go. BUT, you might want to go a step up in terms up inputs on the soundcard anyway, otherwise, when you decide to upgrade the mixer, you'll have to upgrade the soundcard too to get any benefit as far as the number of inputs goes.

BTW, you can still get each track recorded individually, just not more than two at a time, meaning you would have to do overdubs to get more individually. If you're recording a band, that can be a pain. if it's just you by yourself, then that's how you would most likely be doing it anyway, so no problem.

Good luck and have fun.
 
The mixer has 2 aux sends so you can send 1 mic out aux 1(with made channel volume down using aux), 1 on aux 2, 1 panned left sending obviously out main left(using main channel volume), and 1 panned right coming out main right.

Thing, i suspect that at least 1 of the aux sends, if not both, are post fader. This means you need to turn up the fader a bit to send it out the aux, which means that it'll come out the main outs too.

If you can work with a little bit of spill then it should be ok, ie turn up the main volume of that channel slightly, then fully on the aux.

You say that it has stereo aux sends, i really doubt that. If it does then that's perfect, use the pre fade aux and pan left and right, but i doubt this is the case.

I'd get the m-audio delta 44 for this.
 
pandamonk said:
This means you need to turn up the fader a bit to send it out the aux, which means that it'll come out the main outs too.
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That's what threw the monkey wrench into the works when I looked at it.
 
notCardio said:
That's what threw the monkey wrench into the works when I looked at it.
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Yeah. It isn't ideal, but as long as you keep it quite low out the mains(and pan to one side so it doesn't spill to both), then full up on the aux, and bring it up in the software too, then it'll work. Might lose some quality though having to boost the signal in "the box" after the shitty behri pre.

I know of a new 4 channel pre for £51.59($100.83), or 8 channel for £99.16($193.82).

Maybe be able to sell the mixer for that, or keep it for something else.

Then an m-audio delta 44 for the 4 channel, or delta 1010 for the 8.
 
this is has been very educational.

thanks a lot everyone.

i decided that i only need two inputs for now, so i got a 2-input mobilepre usb, and am using the stereo outputs on the mixer to have two tracks inputted. controlling which of the 4 tracks on my mixer goes where using the PAN controls... this should satisfy my purposes for now, multitrak recording and decent quality drums.... when i need more tracks i will upgrade mixer soundcard and probably get a new computer and do a complete system overhaul, once i have the money... so for now this was the best deal. i managed to find the mobilepre USB 2-input interface for 75 canadian, seemed like a hard deal to pass up so i jumped on it. just hooked it up, seems to work pretty well.

quick question... when i take a normal mic(in this case, an akg d880) and plug it in through a phantom power XLR, it seems to sound a lot louder then when going through an XLR to line-input cable... is this normal?

jay.
 
jaihu said:
this is has been very educational.

thanks a lot everyone.

i decided that i only need two inputs for now, so i got a 2-input mobilepre usb, and am using the stereo outputs on the mixer to have two tracks inputted. controlling which of the 4 tracks on my mixer goes where using the PAN controls... this should satisfy my purposes for now, multitrak recording and decent quality drums.... when i need more tracks i will upgrade mixer soundcard and probably get a new computer and do a complete system overhaul, once i have the money... so for now this was the best deal. i managed to find the mobilepre USB 2-input interface for 75 canadian, seemed like a hard deal to pass up so i jumped on it. just hooked it up, seems to work pretty well.

quick question... when i take a normal mic(in this case, an akg d880) and plug it in through a phantom power XLR, it seems to sound a lot louder then when going through an XLR to line-input cable... is this normal?

jay.
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Emm, the akg d880 is a dynamic microphone, and therefore does not need phantom power. Phantom power is not always on and is switched via the phantom power button. The XLR input sends the signal to the preamp, which boosts it, then sends it down the channel strip, thru EQ, panning etc. The line input misses the preamp, and is used for signals already boosted(CD player, outboard preamp, etc).

The reason it sounds louder in the XLR input, than the Line in, is because the XLR boosts the power, via the preamp. That's what the gain pot is for.

Get the loudest sound you will reach in recording(singing/drums/whatever) into the mic and set the main level pot, for that channel, to 0, and then bring up the gain pot to a point before the level goes into the red(in the level meter). If the source is too loud(it goes into the red before you turn up the gain), then press the pad switch which reduces the volume by 10 or 20dB. (not sure for that desk).

Hope everything works out well for you
 
I saw this post and thought I would ask for help. I have a eurorack UBB1002 (given to me) and an audiophile 2496. I only need to record two tracks at one time but can't seem to get that to work. Could you explain this process to me ... again. I know you must get tired of repeating your self; I work in computer support so I understand. There was mention of a "one click" method... what is that. I've tried my instrument into Mono1 panned L, Mic into Mono 2 panned right ... no luck. I tried the Main Outs but just get one track with both inputs. I am so new at this and getting more confused by the second. I have a friend with a full studio who does production/mastering for acoustic musicians and all I need to do is get my tracks down saving me lots of "studio" time. He will produce and master the rest of the CD for me.
 
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