Behri b control + acid pro 6 HELP ME with midi and other things!

[breeeeza]

Sorry for double posting but this is damn 'newbie' so i will put it here.

Firstly i dont know where to put this. Secondly i dont want to put it into an emulation mode. Thirdly i have downloaded all the firmware etc..

I have been trying all day, reading all the manuals etc. and so far have only managed to get fader 8 to control the 'master' fader in the softwares mixer. but when i move the softwares fader with the mouse the fader on the b control stays where it is and i think it is because in sony vegas it says midi track playback device=none and you cant change it.

I want to make several personal presets out of scratch. One that changes the volume, pan of each track. One that changes volume pan of the busses and master fader. One that controls volume and pan automation of each track, then the rest to control differnt plug ins.

I have never used anything to do with midi but thought this would be useful and i got it for 90 quid.

Also there is a learn function in acid pro 6 that works, do i also need to use the learn function on my B control aswell? The learn on the b control worked once but then diddnt, the software doesnt seem to be sending any midi (or w/e?)

Pleassseee help. Otherwise its going back on ebay

Cheers.


i forgot to add, i have read ALL of the manuals, even the one that i posted yesterday. Plus pictues speak a thousand words so i added screen shots:


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And i did this cause i dont know what im doing.
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[breeeeza]

someone must know, or at least have an idea.

 

[ssscientist]

First of all, you need to learn a little more about midi.

Just a little more, because once you start using this BCF it will (probably) help you in your understanding of just what midi is and does.

In fact, here are links to two good articles on midi basics - part one and part two.

You have to configure Acid to work with the BCF because it identifies it as a a'generic controller'. Some programs, like Reason, automatically detect the Behringer controllers and have a function to lock them to a particular device.

( I have a session I need to get to --- more later)


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[breeeeza]

First of all, you need to learn a little more about midi.

Just a little more, because once you start using this BCF it will (probably) help you in your understanding of just what midi is and does.

In fact, here are links to two good articles on midi basics - part one and part two.

You have to configure Acid to work with the BCF because it identifies it as a a'generic controller'. Some programs, like Reason, automatically detect the Behringer controllers and have a function to lock them to a particular device.

( I have a session I need to get to --- more later)


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Thanks alot. Yer as you can probably see from the screen shot i have been trying to configure a generic controller. When i made the master fader work i tried to make it so 0.0db would be inline with the middle of the b control fader. but it seems that it only starts to move the software fader when i go above the middle, if i go below it (to start with) it does nothing, then after moving it when i go back to the middle the software fader is around -13.something db. wtf? also it does nothing when i move the software fader, i thought that moving the software fader with the mouse the fader on the b control would move with it...

 

[breeeeza]

I read through both of them, i have read them before aswell, and it diddnt really help at all. Just made me more confuse about the 16 channels and if each thing has to be on a seperate channel or not, which is stupid cause there is way more buttons/faders than 16. so thats probably wrong what i just said

 

[ssscientist]

Midi is a control languge which carries no audio - just instructions for what note, how hard it's pressed and how long it lasts. There are also 127 continuous controllers that can be assigned to automate any parameter as long as the recieving software allows it. Note that there are 127 continuous controllers per channel, not 127 total.

You will be using the continuous controllers (cc's) that your BCF sends out to automate the on-screen faders. And no, it doesn't work in reverse, unless you have the midi in of the BCF plugged into the midi out of your interface.

In the BCF manual, find and bring up the preset on it that sends cc 7 over consectutively numbered channels --- in other words, midi channel 1 for fader 1, midi channel 2 for fader 2, etc.

Then start to bring your software in line with the fader box. Do this by setting fader 1 (or as they call it in the screenshot, 'channel 1') level to midi channel 1 and cc 7. Then repeat the process for the next one - set fader 2 to midi channel 2 and cc 7. I'm not sure what's giving you that 'only halfway up' problem, but work on this and post again.

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[breeeeza]

Midi is a control languge which carries no audio - just instructions for what note, how hard it's pressed and how long it lasts. There are also 127 continuous controllers that can be assigned to automate any parameter as long as the recieving software allows it. Note that there are 127 continuous controllers per channel, not 127 total.

You will be using the continuous controllers (cc's) that your BCF sends out to automate the on-screen faders. And no, it doesn't work in reverse, unless you have the midi in of the BCF plugged into the midi out of your interface.

In the BCF manual, find and bring up the preset on it that sends cc 7 over consectutively numbered channels --- in other words, midi channel 1 for fader 1, midi channel 2 for fader 2, etc.

Then start to bring your software in line with the fader box. Do this by setting fader 1 (or as they call it in the screenshot, 'channel 1') level to midi channel 1 and cc 7. Then repeat the process for the next one - set fader 2 to midi channel 2 and cc 7. I'm not sure what's giving you that 'only halfway up' problem, but work on this and post again.

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Hi sorry i have only just read your post.
as i said before i managed to put a 'all controls' preset on the bcf and managed to get preset1 to work with the faders acting as a volume control, the rotating knobs as pan etc.. just a simple mixer.
I did this with the learn function in my software, however it seems really buggy. For a while 3 buttons where on the same midi path and now i have to double press each one for it to do anything.
Its not set up as you describe it, button 41 is the 1st button on there.

BTW does it matter about all the differnt CC, depth, pan etc... do they all work the same way whilst using is for a controller.
Sorry im really confused with this. Just when i think i have got it it does something unexpected.

Also about the way it isnt working in reverse, i have it set up using the usb connection instead of midi. So i was hoping it would work in reverse so they woud be in sync.
Thanks for all your help.

 

[breeeeza]

Also, whats the learn function on the b control if the software has one. Does it only work one way?

 

[ssscientist]

Also, whats the learn function on the b control if the software has one. Does it only work one way?

The learn function assigns cc's to control individual parameters of the software. Some software programs transmit midi, either over their midi out wire or over USB, and that what the learn function on the B control is for. Acid does not, as far as I know, transmit midi information so the midi learn on the B control is not useful in this case.

as i said before i managed to put a 'all controls' preset on the bcf and managed to get preset1 to work with the faders acting as a volume control, the rotating knobs as pan etc.. just a simple mixer.

If you want to, as you said in your original post, control the busses and the master with a second preset, replicate the preset that works by copying it into the next two or three slots on the B control. Then follow the instructions in the B control manual to set the cc's to correspond to the appropriate fader. In other words, if you want the master fader to be controlled by B Control fader 1, set the B control fader to midi channel 1, cc 16 and set the master fader in the 'configure generic controller' page of Acid to the same.

Disable the automation on the B control while you set the presets up.

The 16 midi channels can be thought of as 16 separate streams, each carrying enough information to offer complete control over all aspects of a single synthesizer or sampler or softsynth. The concept has become a little more blurred with the advent of USB controllers and per-track as opposed to per-channel control of softsynths, but since midi is still the universally spoken language of choice the basic principles will not change anytime soon.