Be a Better Singer

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Anyone have any vocal websites bookmarked?
Sort of like cyber singing lessons?
10 steps to being an effective vocalist?
That sort of thing...........
 
Hey D,

Well, although you will most likely get some good members to point you in a direction of what you ask, I only recommend Lessons.

Singing incorrectly will not be detected buy one's self.

Sean
 
Get the book/exercise CD "Set Your Voice Free", by Roger Love.
It is an excellent supplement to seeking vocal coaching as
Sean suggested. Joining a singing club, like barbershop acapella, or getting involved in a church choir with a competent director would be helpful too.

Chris
 
chessparov said:
Joining a singing club, like barbershop acapella, or getting involved in a church choir with a competent director would be helpful too.

...That's right, Chris !!! It's almost forgoten tips :) Joining local choir group (chuch, campus, etc...) with competent director is sometime better than take a personal lesson. Thanks for reminding...

;)
Jaymz
 
Anytime Jaymz.

I'll have about 20+ fellow singers later tonight at a meeting who will be more than happy to "remind" me if I'm the least bit flat or sharp!

Chris
 
smacks himself in the head

we have a group of singers in my teeny town.
They're mostly old ladies, but I think they let anyone come.
 
Do a search for Chris and Carol Beatty. They have a great site with vocal tips and vocal instruction CDs you can purchase there.
Just do a search for vocal instruction on the net and you will come up with loads of info.
Like some others said, I also learned most of what little I know from my choir director at church. She definitely taught me to sing harmony.
I was having some vocal problems and thought something was wrong with my vocal cords. I went to a ENT doctor and he told me there was nothing wrong. When asking me questions he asked me how much water I drink everyday. He said on the day of and before a gig you should drink at least a gallon of water to keep yourself hydrated. I started doing this and it was a 100% improvement.
 
Seth Riggs 'Sing for the Stars' is considered to be one of the best methods around for developing the voice. The Roger Love book is a very diluted version of Seth Riggs methods. Although, I have to say that I like the Roger Love book and think it is worth the money, you get way more information with others who are teaching the Seth Riggs technique. You could try the Billy Purnell site http://www.voicetraining.com/
 
http://www.voicetraining.com/

Ok, here is where it gets real ugly...

From that site;

Quote;

PHASE TWO: SUPPORT AND RELAXATION
One of the greatest warm-up and training exercises for vocalists is the lip roll. Simply place your index fingers into the hollows of your cheeks, as demonstrated at right, and allow your lips to slowly bubble as you vocalize over any scale pattern, making sure that your volume and overall "feel" remain consistent from the lowest to the highest part of your range. You'll feel a slight downward "push" on your diaphragm as you ascend, but your neck and outer throat muscles remain relaxed.


This is total and complete FUCKING CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not care what this guy's credentials are, He has no idea of what the fuck he is talking about.

This ass is giving bad advice to be people who want to learn something good.

Shame on him!!!!!


Sean
 
Roger Love was Seth's right hand man before starting his own thing.
He has a terrific voice, and is regarded as one of the best teachers by the music industry.

Chris
 
I have to admit that the exercise you pointed out is not a good example. He does have another version of this which is more practical and useful for breath training. Another one is where he asks you to bend over as you do some of his exercises. This can cause pressure on the diaphragm and cause a Hiatal Hernia which will lead to reflux and irritation of the vocal cords. However, a lot of the exercises he recommends are excellent for building the voice and come straight from the Seth Riggs method.

Chessparov, I haven't slandered Roger Love in any way. I just pointed out that where his method comes from. Like I said, I like the book, it's just a little short on exercises and isn't laid out in such an organized way as the course on the web site I posted.

Smellyfuzz, I would love to know why you think this guys site is so bad. I don't consider myself an expert in this area and would be very grateful for some enlightenment. I read and partake in this forum to learn and share what little I know about music. If you can add to what I know then I would be very greateful. Thanks.
 
morindae, appreciate your clarification, however, no offense was taken. Seth also has an excellent voice and is a top teacher.
However...

His fame is largely due to the incredible number of celebrities who have studied with him, rather than necessarily how "good" they are!

Chris

P.S. "Secrets of Singing", by Jeffrey Allen is also very good.
(there are male/female versions available)
 
Chessparov, is the Jeffrey Allen book based on the same type of exercises as the Seth Riggs method (ie Bel Canto), or is it another approach?
 
All three "big guns" (Allen, Love, Riggs), are heavily influenced by
(probably) the greatest writer/thinker of them all...

E. Herbert-Caesari.

He wrote several books (I have one! :)), that are truly awe inspiring. NOT an easy read though, so teachers like the three above simplified the principles he wrote about for the general public. (his books are out of print/rare BTW).
I picked mine from a used bookstore 20+ years ago for $5!!!
(not knowing how valuable it is, it got "highlighted")

If I had chosen to complete the neccesary training for an operatic carreer as a baritone, they would have been my "secret weapon"! :)

Chris

P.S. Allen's exercises are more classically oriented than the other
two, however, to learn what works for you from each is a
worthwhile idea.
 
morindae;
Smellyfuzz, I would love to know why you think this guys site is so bad. I don't consider myself an expert in this area and would be very grateful for some enlightenment. I read and partake in this forum to learn and share what little I know about music. If you can add to what I know then I would be very greateful. Thanks.


First, I must apologies for the out burst, bad week you see...

Second, just so I am clear with everyone, I respect greatly the technical knowledge that chessparov possesses about singing. His information on what the body does to produce sound is far more then any I posses.
Also, I agree with him completely on the bel-canto technique, 100% the only way to fly, even if there is different strains of teaching it, we both feel strongly that, there no other way.

Now, we of course have our differences.

First and foremost, and this is not meant to be an insult in anyway shape or form.
We are at different levels of training. I gather from his posts, that he is well on his way to becoming a fanatic, trained, flawless singer. I have no doubt, that in little time, he will be awesome. I however, I am done, that's it, no more lessons, ever.

Next stop, teaching.

I'm not saying I'm better then anyone, just that there is most likely no more for me to learn,
that would benefit my singing. Granted, chessparov could teach me all about the physics of singing.

The way I was taught, my head was not filled with information like, a certain type of breathing, inhaling the voice and other KEY WORDS, that seems to light a fire around here, for everyone is looking for that quick fix. Instead, day after day, week after week, song after song of exercisers that force proper singing.
I'm not trying to state this information is not useful, but way, way to much attention is applied to these little facts. Singing, IMHO, is not knowing about the tricks, but applying the exercises.

I could tell you until blue in the face, in order for you to be a faster runner, you must spread your legs out wider.

Would this information now make anyone a faster runner ?

Of course not !

You must go and run not once, not ten times, but thousand of times to become a faster runner.
AND, do not forget that, there is a lot more things that must be PRACTICED, in order to be a faster runner.

THEREFORE, reading a book, or a web-site, me popping up an MP3 of an exercise will maybe point someone in the right direction, but will probably never make him/her a better singer.


Sean

PS.
The lesson that I pointed out and disagreed with so much, was because it does not seem to be any kind of useful exercise.

Every single exercise that I had ever learned, could be directly applied to singing a song.
All of these other little exercisers that everyone is so hell bent about, maybe used once in a life time of singing. Stupid, stupid lesson that was. No offence to anyone intended.
 
No problem Sean, we all have our days. I hope you have a better time this week. :)
 
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