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jdavidb
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it does closely resemble guitar tone, since it has all of its bottom stripped out. Were bandpass filters accidentally enabled somewhere in the chain either during recording or during mixdown? It usually takes intentional manipulation to get a bass thinned down like that.
I'm not saying the tone is wrong though. Once you hear the song with bottom bass, it's possible you might prefer this type of sound afterall.
I'm not saying the tone is wrong though. Once you hear the song with bottom bass, it's possible you might prefer this type of sound afterall.
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joeclark
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I liked the song and the overall "sound". I would say just turn up the bass as it was hard to hear. BTW, what kind of setup are you using? I always like to know when I hear good stuff so I'll have a better idea what to use when I bite the recording bullet.
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roothewhirl
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yeah, i did have the lows cranked up at around 80-100hz but it sounded woofy with no real note distinction, and there were no high passes used either.
i made sure on the pre and board that they weren't switched on. maybe it's the bass i used, it's a shitty $200 ibanez with old strings.
here's the gear i used:
soundcraft spirit m12 board
studio projects vtb-1 pre (for DI bass and vocals)
m audio delta 1010
rokit krk 8 monitors
cubase 2
blue tubes compression and eq (on the bass)
one mxl 991 for overhead drums, 57 on the snare and a d112 on the kick
guitars were direct, it got that twangy effect,
which i'm not sure if we'll keep for the e.p sessions or not.
we'll experiment.
vocals were done on an akg c1000 (notice how bright they are? not really an artistic choice) since i don't have the shockmount for my mxl 990, but soon i'll have one of those for the e.p sessions as well.
a c1000 on the acoustic guitar and piano stuff.
various reverb and reverse effects on the guitar stabs/piano section. i don't quite remember what exactly we did on those parts again. anyway, that's all i can remember at this point.
thanks for the compliment
the other songs we've recorded (which are all rough demos as well) are on the website
http://www.neonthief.com
i made sure on the pre and board that they weren't switched on. maybe it's the bass i used, it's a shitty $200 ibanez with old strings.
here's the gear i used:
soundcraft spirit m12 board
studio projects vtb-1 pre (for DI bass and vocals)
m audio delta 1010
rokit krk 8 monitors
cubase 2
blue tubes compression and eq (on the bass)
one mxl 991 for overhead drums, 57 on the snare and a d112 on the kick
guitars were direct, it got that twangy effect,
which i'm not sure if we'll keep for the e.p sessions or not.
we'll experiment.
vocals were done on an akg c1000 (notice how bright they are? not really an artistic choice) since i don't have the shockmount for my mxl 990, but soon i'll have one of those for the e.p sessions as well.
a c1000 on the acoustic guitar and piano stuff.
various reverb and reverse effects on the guitar stabs/piano section. i don't quite remember what exactly we did on those parts again. anyway, that's all i can remember at this point.
thanks for the compliment
the other songs we've recorded (which are all rough demos as well) are on the website
http://www.neonthief.com
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xfinsterx
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Generally speaking.
Having too much in the 80 to 140 hz areas can make speakers fart.
So id suggest rolling that out a tad so you dont explode systems.
Then...the tone and character of most electric bass guitars is in the 600 to 1k range.
Perhaps try a boost in that section and see what results you get.
Also with the busy style you have, it might sound nice to whack the crap out of it with a limiter and make it stand out nice and big.
For bass, compression first, then eq.
Other wise youll end up compressing all that cool tone content you just added, and that is no good.
So again, compress....then eq.
I liked the song too for what its worth.
-Finster
Having too much in the 80 to 140 hz areas can make speakers fart.
So id suggest rolling that out a tad so you dont explode systems.
Then...the tone and character of most electric bass guitars is in the 600 to 1k range.
Perhaps try a boost in that section and see what results you get.
Also with the busy style you have, it might sound nice to whack the crap out of it with a limiter and make it stand out nice and big.
For bass, compression first, then eq.
Other wise youll end up compressing all that cool tone content you just added, and that is no good.
So again, compress....then eq.
I liked the song too for what its worth.
-Finster
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jdavidb
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Check to see if the strings to have clearance above the pickups of only 1/8" to 1/4". It's possible that they're riding too high because basses in that bottom of the line class don't really get maintenance. The neck could be bowed so far forward that the strings are way up there.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Bass tone is not bad. I can hear the definition alright although a bit quiet. Boost the bass a little. Not enough lo end.
Nice clean mix though. Vocals sound nice and clear. C1000 for vocals? never heard that before but it works defo.
Nice tune. Cool rythym going on.
Nice clean mix though. Vocals sound nice and clear. C1000 for vocals? never heard that before but it works defo.
Nice tune. Cool rythym going on.
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roothewhirl
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hey, the new demo of this is up, with some new things.
old mix
new mix
i limited the bass, and it's a lot more clear now. all it needed was a tad more compression, a bit of limiting and a tad bit around 1khz for that extra cool rhythmical element. also paned the overheads hard left and hard right (sorry it wasn't mono, used a stereo pair) and the guitars at L50 and R50...vice versa basically than how it was before. does it sound better?
i think the song pumps a bit more. thanks for all the positive feedback and help on this song. and any other help/critiquing on the other songs on the site would be appreciated, too.
-ryan
old mix
new mix
i limited the bass, and it's a lot more clear now. all it needed was a tad more compression, a bit of limiting and a tad bit around 1khz for that extra cool rhythmical element. also paned the overheads hard left and hard right (sorry it wasn't mono, used a stereo pair) and the guitars at L50 and R50...vice versa basically than how it was before. does it sound better?
i think the song pumps a bit more. thanks for all the positive feedback and help on this song. and any other help/critiquing on the other songs on the site would be appreciated, too.
-ryan
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Love that clean guitar tone at the start. Lovely man. What was your guitar chain. Sounds like an amp, am I right? please let me be right.
Good singer by the way.
Acoustic guitar is quite rough, but sounds like you meant that, well it works anyway.
Anyway, to the comparison;
The second has way more bass which really fills out the mix more. I would like to hear more punch in the bass for this rythym of song as it would work real well. Different compression or could be the way it was played/recorded.
yeah second one is better.
Really good man.
Good singer by the way.
Acoustic guitar is quite rough, but sounds like you meant that, well it works anyway.
Anyway, to the comparison;
The second has way more bass which really fills out the mix more. I would like to hear more punch in the bass for this rythym of song as it would work real well. Different compression or could be the way it was played/recorded.
yeah second one is better.
Really good man.
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roothewhirl
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thanks a lot for the kind words. believe it or not, it's just a dry fender american strat into a studio projects VTB-1 series pre amp for all the guitar tracks on this song. it's a really good pre for the price.
the lack of punch on the bass could be old strings, i need to re record it with newer strings. i have a jazz bass with brand new strings on it now, so i will re record it with that soon and post the results.
the lack of punch on the bass could be old strings, i need to re record it with newer strings. i have a jazz bass with brand new strings on it now, so i will re record it with that soon and post the results.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yeah I really like Jazz basses, even for heavy rock music. because they have lots of clarity and punch.
So straight into a pre-amp with no amp modeler? Impressive. Some Fenders have really nice clean tones. I recorded a Mexican (or was it american) tele into an amp modeler (Boss BR1180) and it sounded sweet.
So straight into a pre-amp with no amp modeler? Impressive. Some Fenders have really nice clean tones. I recorded a Mexican (or was it american) tele into an amp modeler (Boss BR1180) and it sounded sweet.
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uhh its charlie
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hey man, have you ever played with a sans amp?
when i record bass, i usually run it through a sans amp.
if you give it a little bit of drive, it really beefs the bass up and give it a nice warm fuzzy tone
when i record bass, i usually run it through a sans amp.
if you give it a little bit of drive, it really beefs the bass up and give it a nice warm fuzzy tone
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roothewhirl
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the sans amp looks super promising.
i've been looking for a dedicated bass/guitar DI for a while, thanks for the heads up on that.
i've been looking for a dedicated bass/guitar DI for a while, thanks for the heads up on that.
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uhh its charlie
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roothewhirl said:
anytime, man.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Ive heard alot of people say good things about Sans amps. Are they that good?
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uhh its charlie
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ecktronic said:
it's one of the best things i've ever spent money on.
it can work miracles.
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uhh its charlie
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infact, i'll post a rough mix of this band i've been recording. it's got some fat bass in it, i used the sans amp on his bass of course. gave it a small amount of drive, and it's got a miced cab/DI feel at the same time.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
So this is only a Sans amp (Bass) with no microphone? Sounds nice.
Sounds like you have some really good tracks there, but the mix is all over the place with the volumes. Please dont take offence, i know this thread aint to do with mixing levels. Just thought i would point it out because the tracks sound really good.
Sounds like you have some really good tracks there, but the mix is all over the place with the volumes. Please dont take offence, i know this thread aint to do with mixing levels. Just thought i would point it out because the tracks sound really good.
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uhh its charlie
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oh yeah the mix is all out of whack, i just put it together with where everything was to show you a what the sansamp can sound like.
&yeah the bass was only going through the sans amp.
&yeah the bass was only going through the sans amp.
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uhh its charlie
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uhh its charlie said:
and it's only a guitar sans amp, i didnt get the bass sans amp.