Basic Home System

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Hi all,

I have never really done any home recording before, but I would like to play around mixing tracks just for personal purposes. I have a good PC with a sound blaster card.

I have a basic synth (with midi), acoustic and semi-acoustic guitars.

I would like to record vocal(s), guitar and synth tracks. I would like to use sound samples (steinway pianos, strings, etc.) with the synth.

My question is what is the basic hardware and software mix that would let me mix tracks and record songs, add beats. One additional caveat, is that I would prefer to use software over hardware, if possible.

Please mention any additional hardware or cables that are necessary. Everything that I have has been noted above.

Thanks!
 
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I think basically youll need one decent mic, a decent preamp, and a multitrack software program......

Id recommend :

Marshall MXLv67 mic - $150
Art Tube MP preamp - $90
N-Track software - $42
Goldwave Software Editor - free

youll need a midi cable to connect the keyboard to your soundcard
a mic cable to go from the mic to the preamp
a cable to go from the preamp to the soundcards line in


if this is beyond your $$$ budget, state a budget you have in mind and some lower priced alternatives can be recommended....
 
Gidge, thanks for the reply.

I don't really have a budget in mind. Since it's just really a hobby, I just want to keep it low, that's all.

What if I want to get fancy and sing and play guitar at the same time? I imagine I'll need 2 mics. Do I then need some basic mixer? If yes, any recommendations?
 
For a newbie like me to respond to a fellow newbie's thread may seem like the blind leading the blind, but I do have a mixer/mic preamp recommendation based on recent experience.

As part of my attempt to learn about recording, I recently purchase the $110 set of three compact discs from 3DAudioinc.com, in which a group of sound engineers near Nashville gathered to do blind listening tests of 33 microphone preamps and 49 vocal microphones (those were separate tests, of course -- ).

Listening to this set is extremely revealing. Since one of the mic preamps they tested was the Mackie 1604 VLZ PRO, it set a very useful "baseline" for me against which to compare all the others. I had recently bought a used Mackie 1202 VLZ PRO for $275, which has 4 of exactly the same XDR mic preamps in it as the 1604 that was included in their test.

The tests included no "dogs." They weren't looking to put down or laugh at cheap equipment. These guys are serious. At less than $100 per channel, the Mackie was by far the least expensive preamp they tested. The next lowest price units were the ART Tube Channel and the dbx 376; if I'm remembering correctly, everything else listed for $1000 to more than $4000, with most in the $1500 to $2500 range.

On a $5,000 stereo, there was frightfully little difference among most of the models. On a $10,000 stereo with a somewhat overly articulate high end (some would called it annoyingly bright), the differences were more clear, until I got the list down to the top five or six preamps. At that level, I could talk about the "differences," but claiming one was necessarily "better" than another became almost impossible. In the end, I've picked out two to put on my wish list that do in fact sound different from each other, but I would be thrilled to own either one.

But to the point at hand --- as we sat eliminating one preamp after another based on sometimes barely perceptible issues of grain, top end harshness, air around the performer, congested lower midrange, perceived depth of soundstage, and other such things that are so subjective you can never be 100% certain you are even talking about the same things :-), the little Mackie mixer with the XDR preamps still sounded "very nice."

Did the Mackie make it into the final cut? No. If it did, there'd be some very famous designers jumping off of roofs about now. But the Mackie was never fatiguing, delivered good detail, and was always musical. That it did not provide the breathtaking realism and stunning timing of the best preamps should come as no surprise. What is surprising is that we found it to sound as good as or better than about a third of the other preamps in this collection of high-quality mic preamps, making the Mackie XDR preamps the bargain of the decade.

It *might* be a waste of money to purchase a stand-alone mic preamp that sells for less than $400 or $500 if a Mackie 1202 VLZ PRO would work for you. (Exceptions would include portable mic preamps, such as the Denecke In-Box or the ATI, both around $300 or so.) But even if you plan to spend $1000 or more on a mic preamp, it might pay to compare it to a $380 Mackie mixer before you lay down your hard-earned cash.

Since the Mackie 1202VLZ PRO is Mackie's entry-level mixer, you'll find them for sale used more often than any other. If you're shopping used on eBay or Digibid.com, please note that there will be lots of older Mackie 1202 and 1202VLZ mixers, as well as the latest 1202VLZ PRO. Hold out for the latest unless price is your main object.

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
$110 for cd's to pick a preamp??

who has a $10,000 stereo?

geezus I must be crazy...lol...:D
 
Hmmmmm. Gosh, I've come to the right place! My "audiophile" friends feel sorry for me for having such a ... well, you know, not the best equipment. No vinyl, what a loser! No outboard DA converters, sad. The poor bastard doesn't even own a jitter-eliminator or SACD player. Next?

It's not that I have any money, CDT, it's that I'm OLD and we don't have CHILDREN. Time and childlessness are the best way for plain old working folk to build a good sound system. ;-)

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
lol..i relate..married.home owner..no kids.......spend all my free time and money on computers and music equip...lol

i was just teasing about the amount..lol..i've spent thousands on computers and music equip.....just the thought of a $10,000 stereo makes me goosey lol
 
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