Backup Question for Cake/SONAR People

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In Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, I back up all my compositions (which contain Audio & MIDI) by saving the .wrk file as a bundle (.bun) file; & then burning that file to CDR. During the process, Cake writes compressed mono & stereo audio data to the new file.

I know it's a bit late for this question such as this (I've been using this backup method for almost 2 years), but, what kind of compression is this?...how is the data effected?...;&, if my machine were to crash; & I reloaded Cakewalk on a new system & then opened a backed up bundle file, would all the data, samples, etc. be identical to the original?

Also: Is this still the way backup is accomplished in SONAR?

Thanks in advance,

mark4man
 
When cake says they are writing a 'compressed' file, what they really mean they are doing is clearing any previous moves or special cuts you may have made from the actual audio file. It's just like doing a 'compact audio' function.
Lets say you cut and pasted a specific area and used that in several different areas of your track. It is really just replaying that one clip. When it does a compact of the audio data it adds that clip to the audio file and then points the track clips to that part of the file. In this way, you get a single audio file instead of twenty or thirty little files.

Have you ever looked at a project using the CWAF tool? Try it with a current project with lot's of clips, you should see a multitude of files associated with the project. Then compact the audio and look at it again, it will have combined all the clips into one or two files.

Nothing more than that really. No special compression of the wave files like zipping or creating a .ape file is going on.

Hope that makes sense.
 
In Sonar you can save your projects in a seperate folder, makes backup a breeze. You can still save them as bundles, but I prefer to burn the whole folder to CD.
 
moskus & DS,

moskus,

Thanks. What's the difference [between a .bun (which I thought was "everything") & the Folder]?

DS,

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mark4man
 
If you create a .bun file with Sonar (or .cwb as it's called) you'll loose all the slipediting you can do, meaning you'll actually loose some of the wave's you've recorded.

Slip-editing is brilliant once you get used to it. If you record a two minute wave, and split it after one minute and delete the rest, you can restore this part by draging at the end of a clip.

And to just copy the folder, you can still access the wav's directly from the CD (or harddrive) instead of having to open the bun-file in Sonar and save it to disk again...
 
Slip editing (from Digitalprosound.com):
Sonar offers a new clip editing feature, which may serve many editing needs yet could be perfect for taking several guitar solo tracks and creating a single, composite guitar solo. "Slip Editing" allows you to grab the beginning or the end of an audio clip and drag it, hiding the audio in the clip that you are dragging over. This is a non-destructive editing tool, so experimenting and auditioning parts is par for the course. You can use the "Snap to Grid" function to lock your slip edit to a particular note value, or turn Snap to Grid off to free your edit up from time restraints.
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moskus,

That (slip editing) sounds pretty advantageous. Right now (in CWPA9) when I comp, I use multiple (comp) tracks to accomplish overlapping samples. When the track(s) are complete; & I bounce, Cake asks if I want a mono or poly overlap.

I am looking forward to moving up to SONAR in the biggest way...I keep telling myself: "at the end of this project."

mark4man
 
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