Auditioned Mikes at Guitar Center.....

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The salesman was a real saint. He let me try just about every mike in the case. I had an acoustic gutar from the guitar room, and started with the mikes I had done research on and thought were good candidates:
I listened through ATH M40 headphones, which is exactly what I have at home. My home mikes are: AT4033, AKG C3000B, ATM21. I moved the mike placement all over in relation to the guitar and switched back and forth between mikes when trying to narrow it down.

I didn't listen to the $1K+ mikes, because I don't want to know how great they sound.

OKTAVA M319: Very "rustic" design. Looked like technology from about 1920. Switches were mis-aligned and noisy as hell. The shock mount is a rubber band stretched between bent metal strips. This all scared me, but it actually sounded pretty good. I tried two of them and they were nearly identical. A little on the "cardboard boxy" side of sound. The highs were there, but not harsh. For only $200 it seemed like a fair choice.

Shure SM81: I wanted to hear this "razor flat small condenser" to compare to my AT4041, which is in the same category. It was a little warmer and more accurate sounding than my AT4041, but still too "hard edged" for what I wanted.

Rode NT2: VERY CLASSY looking mike, but had the typical "large diaphragm vocal mike" response. In other words, good lows and crisp highs, but kind of scooped in the middle. Very similar to the other mikes I already have, so this isn't what I wanted.

Sennheiser MD421: Somebody was raving about this dynamic mike once, so I thought I would check it out, but it sounded just plain DULL. And the plastic slide-on mount looked really feeble !

AT-4060: another large diaphragm vocal sound. Good mike, just not what I wanted.

Rode NT3: Jackpot. This mike sounded great. Very natural and woody, almost perfect.

CAD C400S: This is one of those Chinese mikes that looks like an imitation of a Rode NT2. I think it is also sold as a Marshall and by Carvin. So i was immeditaely skeptical. But it sounded DAMN GOOD (to me). I started going back and forth between it and the NT3, because I had already decided to buy the NT3, and I couldn't believe the CAD sounded better. I was trying to talk myself into the Rode, but the CAD kept sounding better. Very natural and woody. What finally broke the stalemate was that I noticed that the Rode NT3 was very sensitive to where I was pointing it at the guitar. Even from about 3 ft. away, it would go from tinney to boxey if angled off a little. The CAD was remarkably even in response regardless of angle and position. I ended up buying the CAD. Maybe I just have no taste.

It was marked $200, but rang up at $160 !

When I got it home, and listened in my quieter studio, with my own guitar, I noticed that it is still not "the perfect mike". There is still something missing in the "woodiness" that I can't seem to capture. But hey, I'm only out $160, and this mike sounds as good or better than a lot that are much more expensive. I can afford to keep looking for the holy grail !

Peace,
Rick
 
Hey, thanks - that was useful! The part about trusting your own ears, especially. How come you didn't take your own guitar down, though?
 
I'm surprised the Oktava MK or MC(?)-319s sounded "nearly identical". That's VERY rare for Oktavas at Guitar Center.

Also, the Sennhieser was most likely the MD421 II and not the MD421 since the MD421 is no longer made. They DO sound different; especially on vox.

And, can anyone point me toward a picture to a CAD C400S? I have not seen one and its not on the CAD/CTI website. And another thing... The Axis, where do you get your info about the CAD C400S being a Chinese mic? The CAD website says:


"CAD Professional Microphones, a division of CTI Audio, designs and manufacturers professional microphones in its state-of-the-art USA facility, located in Conneaut, Ohio."


I'm not trying to say your info is wrong, but just trying to figure-out the "real deal". Maybe the CAD C400S is a Chinese mic and that's why it's not on the CAD/CTI website. I don't know, but I'd like to find-out.
 
RE: Yes, I think the Sennheiser was the "II" version. I was surprised at how Cheaply constructed it seemed. Your explanation is undoubtedly true. The older ones must have been better.

I tried to find internet info on the CAD C400S also, and so far I haven't been able to find any. Actually, it pissed me off a little bit when I got it home and found the little "Made in China for CAD" sticker on the bottom of the box. I had thought I was supporting USA company ! That's how I know it is Chinese. The windscreen is the perforated sheet-metal style (like the Carvin). Amazingly, it also has a fine wire mesh windscreen underneath the sheet-metal windscreen, so I guess it doesn't save much on construction costs. I visited the "797 Audio" website, and it is NOT identical to any of their models (but hey, those pictures of the Chinese political Leaders are cool !) So all I really know is that it is Chinese and looks similar to the Carvins/Marshalls...but NOT identical. It has an INTERNAL high pass filter that I have to dissassemble the mike to get at the ciruit board. But I always just use the low-cut of my mixer and low parametric EQ anyway, so I am not worried.

The supplied spec sheet gives me this info:
1" gold-vapor deposited diaphragm.
Polar pattern: at 1 kHZ: almost perfectly circular from ±45°. It does not peak at 0°, but actually DIPS by about half a dB at 0° and peaks at about ±45°. It then drops rapidly to -6dB at ±90° (I guess this explains why it seems to have such a large "sweet spot"
Sensitivity: 11.9 mV/Pa.
Equivalent noise: < 26dB A weighted
Frequency response curve: -3dB @ 60Hz, nearly dead-nuts flat from 120 Hz through 5 kHz, slight rise from 5K to 12K (maybe 2dB max with some gentle ripples) -3dB and falling at 16 KHz.

It has a cool red LED on the front of the mike that is lit whenever the phantom power is on.

I would really be interested if you or anyone else with extensive microphone experience gets a chance to listen to one and give me some feedback. I would like confirmation that I am either completely sane, or should seek professional counselling immediately !
thanks,
Rick
 
When I first started recording, I bought 2 of the CAD c400s microphones. I thought they sounded great..and they did compared to my radioshack microphones I had. Then I listened to some higher dollar mics (U87, VM100, C414) suddenly the CAD didn't sound so great anymore...I couldn't sell them fast enough.

Comparing them to better mics, they have a boxy, choked sound that sounds really bad to me. Just my opinion though.


ametth
 
It's all too crazy for me. But most likely, it's another one from a Shanghai, China factory.
 
I too bought one of the CAD400S from Guitar Center after testing it to an Octava and AKG C1000 in the same price range. I thought it sounded better on my voice and new of CAD's reputation. After buying, I tried to find info on it and could'nt so I called CAD. They told me the mike is made in China exclusively for sales through Guitar Center. It may not sound as good as the ones Ametth compares them too but I'm happy with the sound for the money.
 
I'm curious to hear how it sounds next to an Oktava MC-3189 from The Sound Room now...
 
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