Audiophile 2496 card is 24bit in WDM only?

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I've put up a few posts about problems I've had with my Audiophile 2496 card, specifically trying to get it to work in 24 bit. Working under Win XP with Cakewalk Pro 9, Sound Forge, and Sonar 2.0, the card would function fine when driver depth was picked as 16 bit, but refused to function at all when 24 bit was selected. In fact if 24 bit was selected in Sonar or Cakewalk, the card would disappear entirely as an available hardware device.

My Audiophile shares a machine with an ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder, a video card with both video and audio capture features. Someone on this board suggested disableing one of the ATI audio capture drivers, and that led to partial success - while the card would still not work in 24 bit, it would no longer disappear as a device.

This evening I finally had a chance to remove the All-In-Wonder card (which I use quite frequently) and replace it with a normal ATI Radeon card. After this switch, and some adjustments in drivers, I FINALLY was able to get the Audiophile to function at 24 bit in Sonar. Both recording and playback now work normally. But when I tried to do the same in Cakewalk 9, I still had no functionality - and the card disappears as a device for playback.

I went back to Sonar and tried forcing the Audiophile to use MME drivers at 24 bit instead of WDM drivers, and had the same results as Cakewalk - the card disappears and there is no recording or playback function. When WDM drivers are re-enabled, everything is fine. And at 16 bit, it works in both MME and WDM.

So - I guess the question I have is, is the Audiophile 2496 strictly a WDM card if you want to record / playback at 24 bit? Or in otherwords, I can forget about using this card to play back my (large collection of) 24 bit Cakewalk projects? Has anyone out there used an Audiophile in Cakewalk at 24 bit, in any OS?
 
not to take away from the question above but i'm pretty sure i will be getting a audiophile 24/96 and i have been reading that it doesn't have an onboard synth. what does this mean exactly and does this relate to midi?


i will be running homestudio XL, a new pentium computer , midi keyboard/controller(unknown right now , guitar, mixer(also unknown)
 
Yes it has to do with midi. It means that you can not use it to generate midi sounds.

I'm not sure, but it may have a "midi in" connection, which would then allow you to plug your keyboard in and use that.
 
Yes, the card comes with a 4 wire cable that includes MIDI in, MIDI Out, SP/DIF in, SPD/IF out. It will drive external MIDI devices but has not hardware wave table of it's own.

And (as was posted elsewhere) there were new drivers released for the card on 12/5/02, available at the web site.

I received some further comments about this subject here:

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=69603
 
so if the card will not generate midi itself can i still use a midi controller and a virtual synth's on my computer(for selection of sounds) , to create midi tracks ???
 
Yes, you can.

RWhite, I really think this problem is with your setup, but I'm interested to hear how it turns out for you. The Audiophile is in the Delta series and I've used the Delta44 and 1010 at 24bit in Win2k for a long time now. Maybe it's a calkewalk thing? Have you tried n-Track?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Slackmaster -

I have not tried N-track. I have many, many project files in Cakewalk 9 thus my desire to get this running.

I have posted a resolution of sorts in the Cakewalk area. Removing the All-In-Wonder card and replacing it with a straight video card partially fixed the problem. I can now run Sonar and have the Audiophile be recognized as a real 24 card. However the problem remainis with Cakewalk, or in Sonar if I force the app to use MME drivers. So....

... after much testing I have concluded two things:

1) The Windows XP/2000 driver for the Delta series supports 24 bit operation only using WDM drivers, and WDM-aware applications. Since most XP compatible programs are WDM-aware this is not a big deal. For Cakewalk 9 users, however, its a BIG SORRY. To their credit, the makers of Cakewalk do not claim compatibility with XP, and have always said that you have to upgrade to Sonar.

2) The ATI video capture driver, a componant of the ATI All-In-Wonder card, does have a conflict with the Delta audio driver, at least under XP. This conflict appears to prevent the 2496 card from operating properly in 24 bit mode on systems running XP and using an ATI All-In-Wonder card.
 
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Dammmit, I just can't win.

I finished doing my tests with my normal video card, so I figure I'll install my new Radeon 7500 All-In-Wonder (bought as a closeout since they just came out with the 9700 model). This gives me a chance to do driver re-installs on everything, so maybe this stuff will work better. I don't expect it to work in Cakewalk, but if it functions in everything else, I'm happy.

I install the latest Radeon drivers from the web, but it turns out that to be fully functional you have to install from CD, then upgrade to the new drivers. So I do that, everything is cool. Then I uninstal the Audiophile 2496 drivers, using their uninstaller, and then install it's newly upgraded drivers (12/5/02).
Everything looks good in controll panel.

I open Sound Forge, do a test recordingt at 24 bit/44.1 off the radio. It plays back fine. Wooo Hooo!

So I click on Sonar to load it. And wait. Nothing happens. So I try again. Nothing.

I open Taskmanager to see what's happening. For about 2 sec after clicking on it, Sonar shows up as a task. Then it shuts itself off.

Sonar is dead, Long Live Sonar.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why can't these $%$####@##$@@@!! drivers and programs just all GET ALONG??????

Someone just shoot me now.... I'm too tired to screw with this any more tonight. Tomorrow I'll try uninstalling the new delta drivers, and/or re-installing Sonar.
 
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