Audio Technica Pro37 vs. Studio Projects B1 in a two overhead deathmatch

[hungovermorning]

The thread says it all. I'm miking a kit with three mics with one for the kick drum. Should the two overheads be the Audio Technica Pro37 or Studio Projects B1. If there's some other high quality mic duo in the 250-300 range I'd be willing to hear about it. Oh, this is an analog set up (in my experience digital overheads pick up more cymbal while the analog has more toms, just my observation).

 

[chessrock]

The answer to that question would be ... yes.

I agree wholeheartedly.

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[homestudioguy]

Maybe not high quality but $300 can get you a pair of MXL 604's or a pair of Studio Projects C4's.
The AT37's seem to be very popular for overheads though.
If you have the AT37's, and B1's already, use the 37's as overheads and then place the B1 in front of the set about 4 feet with the diaphragm at about 18 inches high and see how that sounds. Maybe move the B1 closer or further from the set and even up or down to hear what variations you can get. If you find an acceptable sound you'll have saved $300.
BG/HSG
PS-I suggest the B1 in front as it will act not only as your kick but will also pick up some room ambience as well as a different timbre of the rest of the set.

 

[hungovermorning]

Maybe not high quality but $300 can get you a pair of MXL 604's or a pair of Studio Projects C4's.
The AT37's seem to be very popular for overheads though.
If you have the AT37's, and B1's already, use the 37's as overheads and then place the B1 in front of the set about 4 feet with the diaphragm at about 18 inches high and see how that sounds. Maybe move the B1 closer or further from the set and even up or down to hear what variations you can get. If you find an acceptable sound you'll have saved $300.
BG/HSG
PS-I suggest the B1 in front as it will act not only as your kick but will also pick up some room ambience as well as a different timbre of the rest of the set.

I don't right now is the thing. I've got a set of CAD GXL 1200s, which head to head with the MXL 603s are slightly nicer actually. If I had them though, you can definitely bet that I would be trying your suggestion right now.

 

[giraffe]

i own a pair of the pro 37R's and as overs they are ok.....
but beware, they make cheep cymbals UNLISTENABLE.
they make good ones shine.

the darker the cymbals, the better.

 

[homestudioguy]

I don't right now is the thing. I've got a set of CAD GXL 1200s, which head to head with the MXL 603s are slightly nicer actually. If I had them though, you can definitely bet that I would be trying your suggestion right now.

I did a quick look at the 1200's and they appear to be able to do the overhead thing.
Do you have a large diaphram condensor?
If not, I recommend an sE Electronics SE2200-A ($299).
Add that to your overheads and you'll get a nice sound on your set.
Plus you'll have a damn nice LDC mic for voice, guitar, etc.
BG/HSG

 

[hungovermorning]

c1 (you sunk my battleship!)

The one decent mic I do have is a Studio Projects C1 which I use for vocals which I'll try using as an area mic but I like the idea of the three piece mic for a kit.
Oh, I went to your page, Tony SanFillipo eh? One of my bands recorded at Oxide back in the day are you in Bloomington-Normal?

 

[ozraves]

What other mics you got besides the C1? You might try putting the C1 over the kit sort of over the drummer looking down on the snare with the distance between the snare and the C1 no more than four feet. You could put a small condenser peaking over the floor tom at the snare at the same exact distance from the snare as the C1. You could put an ATM25 down in front of the kit to capture the kick drum and the front of the kit. I think if you listen carefully to your mic placement in this application that the C1 can do a fairly decent job.

 

[homestudioguy]

The one decent mic I do have is a Studio Projects C1 which I use for vocals which I'll try using as an area mic but I like the idea of the three piece mic for a kit. Oh, I went to your page, Tony SanFillipo eh? One of my bands recorded at Oxide back in the day are you in Bloomington-Normal?

I am indeed living in Bloomington and I've known Tony for awhile.
In fact I did an A/B shootout of my sE Electronics SE2200-A vs Tony's 1970's U87 at Oxide Lounge. Although there were some differences notwithstanding, the SE2200A was very sonically close to the U87. It took some focused listening to notice the differences!
We also tried out my sE Electronics SE3 small condensor vs the AT Pro37 on accoustic guitar. The 37 brought out the highs better but the SE3 did better on the rest of the range. Together they had an incredible acoustic guitar sound.
We also tried the SE3 as an overhead. Tony liked it very much, enough in fact to say he'd like to get a pair for himself.
Point is though is that the SE3 is a $299 mic (street price) let alone being built at Chinese labor costs. I think the Pro37 is going for about $160ish?
BG/HSG