ATTN: SONUSMAN (drum mic questions)

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O.K. drum god, a couple of questions. For the kick, is the AKG D112 worth the extra money over a SM-57? Any other kick drum mic suggestions for under $200?
When refering to the overheads, what do you mean by X-Y configuration? That is all for now... I'm spending money based on your suggestions... Thanks.
 
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My god, if I could get Bill Gates to send me a post like that! LOL

Okay, you want a kick drum mic. But you don't want to spend over $200.

While the AKG D-112 works reasonably well as a kick drum mic, is really has no purpose beyond that. As a kick drum mic, I have never found it to do anything that really excited me. That is my opinion, and others will dispute it.

For the money, I think that the Audio Technica Pro-25 is a better bet. Not only is this a reasonably good kick drum mic, but it works very well as a tom mic, and for micing a bass guitar cabinet. Last I checked, this mic was going for about $180.

Compared to a SM-57 for kick, the AT Pro-25 will kick it's butt everyday of the week. Compared to the D-112, I think that it works every bit as good. But I have found that it is a more versatile microphone. I have never had to use either in my studio for recording. I have used both for live applictations, and at other studios that I sometimes work out of. I was lucky to score a EV Re-27n/d for $425 about 2 years ago. There IS no better microphone for kick drum.

X-Y micing is where the microphones are are more or less together and aimed like the letter X. You would use this micing technique on the overheads of the drum kit, centered over the kick drum. I have found that it offers the most accurate stereo image. It does not have as wide of a stereo field as the normal technique of seperating the mics at either side of the drum kit, but, I have never found a use for a really wide stereo image on the drum overheads. I seldom pan them beyond 9 and 3 o'clock.

Hopefully, I have answered your questions. But since I find myself under the influence of drink tonight, I may not have made any sense at all........ :)

Good luck.
Ed Rei
Echo Star Studio www.echostarstudio.com
 
Thanks. Have a drink on me. I am sober tonight, for a change. Trying to save $$$ for drum mic's.
 
Wouldn't know, have never used them. But I will say this, I have favored the 57 over some very nice competition including, 421's, Audix D-1,2,and 3's, Pro-25's. I am partial to the sound of a 57 on tom's. I find that they have a nice body that the others do not deliver. All those others seemed to offer an extended high frequency response over the 57, but really lacked a punch to my ears. The 421's would of course be my second choice for tom's. Followed by the Pro-25. I do not like the Audix D series stuff at all.

Remember that mic selection is one of the most subjective and personal decisions you can make in recording. Just because I like something doesn't mean it is all that. Nor is the stuff I dislike unusable. I have preferences that can vary wildly from others.

A good friend of mine, Chris Stevens, who works out of Echo Star sometimes, and has did some of his own projects using me as engineer and co-producer has one rule about recording, "Whatever sounds good!" When we were recording his own band, The Heavy Brothers, we made some seemingly funky choices in microphone selection. I once used my EV Re-27n/d to record a trumpet solo. THIS IS A KICK DRUM MIC PRIMARILY!!! Chris used an Audix OM-5 to record a Sax solo too. We used a C-1000 S to record the low speaker of a Leslie cabinet when we had a AT4050 available. So you can see that just because you may have to best mic available to record something, it may not be the best mic for that source. "Whatever sounds good!"

I find from talking with other engineers in my town that many get hung up on what is the lastest, or what has incredible specs. But, ofter I listen to their recordings and wonder is they didn't use a PZM in the room and record the band live in one take to a cassette player. At Echo Star, I have some pieces of equipment that I would use anywhere. Other pieces that I would leave here if working somewhere with something better. And some stuff that I keep around just because nobody would buy it from me.... :) But sometimes, those pieces that seem to be junk turn out some great sounds. I have a ADA Multi Effects Processor that is old and junky. This was mainly a guitar processor. But quess what? I use it as my primary delay for almost everything that I mix, unless I really need an exact delay time, or an autopanning delay. This unit is a little noisy by todays standards, and doesn't have a cool LCD interface, but it sounds as close to a Lexicon PCM-41 or 42 as I have ever heard. This box has some character. The delays are warm and fat. Can you believe that I paid $100 for it about 4 years ago in a guitar shop. The owner of the shop didn't think he would ever sell it. I bought it for my guitar rig. Started using it in the studio when I needed an extra delay one day. I was blown at how good it sounded on vocals in the studio.

Anyway, I hope that I am not coming across like a lecture or anything. I just hope that anyone who is recording remembers that you can achieve great sounds with some very low tech stuff. Using your ears, and having a good idea of what ALL of the components in your system are doing to the sound will enlighten you to how to get the most out of what you are using.

Good luck.
Ed Rei
Echo Star Studio www.echostarstudio.com
 
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