Are you wasting your time?

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Are you wasting your time with this rap shit?
Will you blow?
What separates you from the cats that made it?
Is their truth in your rap at all?
Do you get off your ass (internet) and get the word out that you got something going on with your music?
Why the effort with something with lotto like odds?
If you came to the conclusion that it isn't gonna happen,Whats your back up plan?
What are you currently doing to make your dreams a reality?
How many CDs have you ever sold?
How many tracks how you ever sold?
At age 40,what will you be doing?


I dont wanna hear no 'I do it for the love' type BS.Be realistic.
 
Will I Blow???

Who Cares man.....music is a form of art and for me it's my only way to vent from lifes harsh realitys. My Shit comes from the heart and your post was so negative i really don't know why i'm resonding ...but like i said i write what i feel type what i feel and you are just like cat's round my way tryin to hold every one back..
i can't feel that kid....I got away from peop's like you because I felt
they had nothin to offer me. See I don't know what i'll be doin at 40 but i have a job now and if I don't "blow" it really doesn't matter to me because yes i do have a back up plan. Who Doesn't?
I have two sem's left and i'll have a business degree. So yes i do have plan if i don't "blow" and the whole shit you said about "don't say it's for the love of hip hop" what's that kid? I love hip hop and all other music. I know that there are alot of people that say that and don't mean it but what about the rest of us ...are you gonna be so streotypical and judge the whole thing on a few artists? I'm done with this...you can take what you want from my post. It's not that I don't like you ....cuz i don't know you or your stuggles in life but i just wanted to let you know that everyone is not as simple as you make them out to be in your post. Peace Love Respect

Ya Boy Kevlar
 
originally posted by reefer
Are you wasting your time with this rap shit?

i spend more time thinking about what i'm going to do when i make it then what i'm going to do if i don't, but dude has a (valid) point. i know i ask my self this question when wifey keeps bagering me about being on the computer, making tracks, and writing raps. every year goes by and i get better, but i also get older. i hook up with cats but none seem to want it like i want it.

i haven't sold a track because if it's worth selling i wanna rock it. my back up plan is plentiful, there is a lot of things available from; state trooper, truck driver, back to the military, to gettin two year tech degrees fully paid for by grants and loans while i work at a sneaker store in the mall, etc......

when the situation seems bleek, i look in the source at the 30 to 40 year old multi million dollar rappers(master p, puffy, busta rhymes, will smith, ll cool j, dr dre) then i look at all of the artists out with little to know talent( khia, b rich, bishop, the new no limit), and i think about how much i would love to be on stage with a packed show regardless if it's the city club or the city arena, and i say damn this is what i love this is what i was made for.

all those days in the high school cafeteria on the college campus at the neighborhood corners and parks, i think to myself shit this is me, this is what i been preparing for for a long time. after those thoughts are gone i continue to focus on what i'm going to do when my opportunity comes.
 
@Kevlar,seems like you inderstood my post wrong.I just wanted to hear some success stories (If their are any).
On another note though.Yes,music is an art form,and so is a lot of other things.You venting is not gonna put food on the table.Love for music is not gonna rescue you from lifes harsh realities.How is my posting negative?How can any man hold you back from anything?You gotta think on a higher level than what you are.You spendding bucks on equipment and getting nothing in return is wack IMHO.Get paid for what you love to do.I hear cats on here uploading raps and tracks just for someone to come along and type 'Dude,that sounds good'.Its cool to be respected for what you've produced but whats next?Are you gonna shop your material?Are you gonna promote your music?Are you gonna sell consignments to moms n pops.....?
If you're gonna come at me.Come on some real shit cuz if it dont make dollaz,it dont make sense......Im finish.
 
Success Stories(If their are any)?

@Kevlar,seems like you inderstood my post wrong.I just wanted to hear some success stories (If their are any).
If you're gonna come at me.Come on some real shit cuz if it dont make dollaz,it dont make sense......Im finish.


Success Stories? Why so you can rip each one apart and explain why you wouldn't have done this or that. I'll tell you this ....i've lived in SC For goin on 5 years now and i have rocked mic's at places that you wouldn't step foot in. I ride streets in this state where most black people won't go....and i'm white doo. I'm not tryin to be something i'm not...i just get respect. As far as "venting" yes it might not put food on the table but it's my way of dealing with the hand i was delt. Like i said i don't have to sell my ablum to be rich...i'm rich at heart and too me that's more than most can say.(honestly) As far as people tryin to hold me back....as you serious? You don't have a clue do you? Everytime i would make a great record or do something positive with my life
cat's would hold me back and i'll explain. My sapposid friends robbed my house.. cat's i was friends with for like 3yrs. That's not holdin me back? Or here is another one...how about someone snitchin you out for something that they did and you going to jail for 6 days untill they finally realize that yes my statements where true i was at work during that instance. So please kid don't try and understand mylife cuz you never would. I won't understand yours either and i would never judge or try to. Maybe i may have misunderstood the meaning behind your post but to me negative is negative how can you say your not negative when most of those Q's you posted where? do you actually think that people don't wonder what is gonna happen if they don't make it rappin.
As for the "real shit" man that was unnessery and not takin lightly
I suggest before you make your next post you think before you type. Just some advice thats all...Oh another negative thing you wrote...Success Stories (if their are any) oh thats not negative ..
kid please!
Peace Love Respect,

Ya Boy Kevlar
 
...

i could give 2 shits if i blow up
i loathe that portrayal of "bling-bling" rap shit today
fucking cats dressing like woman and shit
trying to be mr. sexy with all that ice

i do it to do it, thats it

hell all i do is make music and read

peace
LB
 
SPINSTERWUN said:
Reefer, what have YOU done?
Good Question Spinster numero uno....
I'm glad you're in my city and I'm also glad you questioned me...I'm not gonna type my mission but you're in my city.This summer...You'll understand my mission and why I do things the way I do........

Remember this,ClubHouse Records.Mannish-Boy,DJ'Fingaz.

Thats all I'm gonna say.When it hit you.All I want is some recognition from you.......
 
It's just a hobby for me...I don't need to blow up. I don't mind though if I do
 
Mayne people got it all twisted if you ask me. This is an art form like Kev. said. So you should be doing your best to be you and draw yourself in the music. It's to many people drawing other peoples life in their music. Which is kool if are given permission.(peep Damon Dashls joint with Cam and Jimmy).

Now being that it's an art form it should be something that comes pretty easy to you, something you really enjoy doing. Now don't get it twisted and think rapping/hip hop "should come easy" to you, because for most people who "don't make it" it comes hard. The people that seem to "Make It" have an extraordinary amount of talent which means it will come much easier to them. Compare subject matter of Pac(very diversified) and with subject matter of Khia(hella limited) or Eminem's wordplay to New No Limits roster.

In order to "Make It" you have some special sparkle that appeals to a gang of people. Pac & Biggie appealed to the streets so they was HOOD RICH along time ago. Eminem appealed to middle class and lower class white folk. Nelly appealed to all club goers. Besides that you gotta work your azz off. I know yall scene the Micheal Jackson special..where he talked about seeing the kids playing baseball outside the studio he recorded..and wishing he could go out and play..........you have to be so dedicated to this ish to really "MAKE IT". I"m considering "making it " is making millions.

But that's what's wrong with us black folks man. We don't like to work. I totally understand, right, our ancestors were slaves so just getting all 400 years worth of work back huh??????

Mayne hell naw. Bill Gates is a billionaire because he worked his azz off day and night, shower or no shower, sleep or no sleep writing code.....assembly code i believe which is hella tedious... to get all that paper he getting.

But you see we go wrong in this rap game with the idea that "Hey I think i got some really great music, I believe i should be superstar". Negros don't take into account that truthfully it should only cost you $20,000/year to live on...saying you don't have any dependents. Naw that's to live on....I'm more interested in living than riding on chrome...even though i do ride on chrome,but i worked my azz off for it so it's all gravy. N-E-Ways, I don't ever hear negros talking about making only let's say $50,000 a year from this music ish.

Now imagine making $50,000 a year, working for yourself. It's hella hard work but your not under someones direct supervision, like a regular job out there in the world. I would take $50,000 year making that on my own, than making $150,000 working for a corporation or working for the government. I can take a day off when i want to, i can take as many sick days as i need, i can work and do things my way rather than following a manual that was written by some big wigs at some corporation. Man, my first line supervisor told me that her friend works for Verizon making $65,000 but they are hella strict. Like you can't roll ya chair across the floor, gotta sign out to goto the bathroom, can't hang ya jacket on the back of ya chair, you sit in a qubicle and you can't just turn around to tell someone something. Man bump that job that sh*t sounds hella wackdafied.

Man besides doing rap songs, negros don't even think to look past the neighborhood behind their window seals. you don't have to just do hip albums.....did you know you could do music for businesses that advertise on the radio or t.v......like doing jingles. I know some of yall might be like man that's GAY, but to me that PAY, and i know if i had a daughter she would rather have my GAY PAY, than my BROKE RAP NOTES.

The other day i sold this guy some background music to go on his answering machine. One of my girls' mother had me listen to this guy singing on his answering machine for his business. It was a raggedy azz acapella jingle he made up, so i left him a message and told him it would sound more professional if he had some actual music behind it. He agreed, and that was my lead. I put it down, him and his wife liked it and paid be $100 for it. In the contract if he puts his ad on the radio stations he'll pay me a balloon payment for $1000. Now what do you think that did for me. When people ask him who did the music, he's going to of course say I did, and refer other business to me.

So yall shouldn't be doing music and looking at the situation like "Man I gots to make some millions with this". Do you think Nora Jones was thinking that when she was doing the music....hell no...the label was though. Do you think M. Jackson was thinking that when he did his songs...nope don't think so....Because they truly love making music...now of course if you think you can be paid for doing the music then i understand your thinking, but initial people get into hip hop for the millions....not getting into hip hop because of the music magic that takes over them.

That Texas Fella rantin on
yall gots to feel that
sugaty@aol.com
 
whew...

a bit long winded flossy but well said. Between following that Southern twang and getting caught up in the length of the post, there was a lot of "real" ish stated. Piggybacking the jingles or commercial tracking idea, it works. I got a hook up through a friend who knows of my production pursuit and wasa ble to get a horrible company to purchase some of my tracks (at $1000 per track). May not seem like much, but is a start. Like Flossy said, you have to start small to get it. One becomes two and two four and so on...Thats how I do it. My love is in the music, but do people become pediatricians just for the money. Hell naw, because you can't possilby stay at something and maintain motivation if you ain't feelin it. The same is the case with music (Mine anyways). I do it because it is what I like and if I can be compensated for it then why not.

But opinions are free and everybody has one so...

-Humble-
 
Flossyboy...thats good for you kid

I read the whole post....that's some insperation for that ass...lol
Everyone's eye is on the prize ...but if you don't get the prize if you really love music you won't be upset. Like me...if i don't get a deal period...i'm fine with it. I just want people who are on the same level as me to feel my music too. Even if it's a local club or an independent website. It make's you feel good inside if you get positive and or negative feedback because you know atleast someone took the time out to listen to your music. See me i've never disliked any kind of music. I like it all ...not saying that i bump "bon Jovi" lol but i can respect him as an artist or even some country singers...i used to crack on them when i was young.
But that all changed when i was at this studio in columbia and i saw this guy who looked like a "redneck" sing this song and he sounded like willie nelson...it was amazing. I am completely honest with everyone ...and i guess it get's me in trouble sometimes but thats the way i am. I don't have to say " i got shot a 100 times" to get respect...if you give respect you get respect.
To me thats what it's about repecting someone else's opinion and goin about your business. My mother always told me"never tryand be something your not" with those words i've made it so far in life and i know with all my good deads and prayers my family won't have to stuggle much longer. Wether I land a great job when i graduate or I get some kind of deal it will all be cake to me.... Peace LOve REspect,

Ya Boy Kevlar
 
Flossyboy,I'm impressed.You spit some real game.. I like that!!Respect




you typed your ass off :p
 
Reefer i'm glad you put them questions out there.

It's just that people don't really seem to have a love for the music ish anymore like they did back in the 60's and 70's.

Think about this ish......Micheal Jackson, right
Back in the day the stuff he was doing(singing and dancing) you know.....that sh*t was hella hot. Everybody could feel it and everything. everybody was trying to do the moonwalk...i'm still trying(it's the sliding on ya back heel that gets me)....But everybody thought it was hella tight.

But nowdays, let a negro come out singing and dancing around.....what do you think happens??????

He's labeled as a busta, a mark, a corny azz n*gg@, a candyazz, a fruitcake, all the above. It's like hip/hop nowdays "has to be" gangsta, thugged out, gutta, yada yada.

People don't get respect for the music anymore, it's like people get respected for their lifestyle. Take for instance 50 Cent. Now dudes album goes hard. Lyrical content, metaphors, similies all that ish is tight, the production is tight. He gets hella props for the ish which is good, but he's talking about guns the majority of the time. Don't get me wrong i give him props because he's talking about things he's been through with guns which is "Real", but what's wrong with rapping about growing up in a small azz city with much of nothing to do..but having dreams of what you wanted to do or wanted to experience??????????

It's like people will say someones corny because they rapping about there life which hasn't been that hard, which didn't involve guns, which didn't involve drugs, but then give a gang of props to someone who does rap about guns, and living that thug life, when they've neva experienced being around guns, aint neva had it hard, aint neva been in trouble with the law.

Sh*t I listen to all kinds of music and i give props where props are deserved, not matter if it's gutta, pop, country, rock, some damn Bluegrass.......WHAT YALL KNOW ABOUT SOME BLUEGRASS????......man i'ma flip a bluegrass/hip hop joint for yall, just so yall get my point.

Music is Music, Remember Hip Hop started at block parties with break dancing and all that ish....not formations of click clacking and trigger squeezing.

That Texas Fella...sorry long week..i'm starting to hate the IT field
sugaty@aol.com
 
those other artists are out there:

the roots, the nappy roots, outkast, talib kweli, mos def, common, nelli. now be real, when i threw in nelli, your first thought was 'happy rap'.

but people would rather hear about missy shaving her cha-cha and little kim putting a sprite can in her mouth.

as far as the thread topic is concerned:

my peeps told me to find things that i love doing and figure out how to make money with it. my sh*t was football, computers, and music. i used football to get an education in computer science, and i'm using computers to make music.

with the exception of a road trip with my dogs now and then, I don't like coming out of my house unless money or family is involved, and i don't want you coming to my house unless you got dollar bills or mic skills. so i either got to make beats for my brothers and sisters, or i gotta get something for it.

my wife (an accountant) told me that music accounted for less than 5% of my gross income last year. pretty f*cking sad, but that was the best money i made.

as a matter of fact, i made more money as a part-time professor at my alma-mater (an HBCU) than i did through music.

and if i really want to be honest with myself check this. i fronted my man some money so he could make t-shirts to sell at the 50 cent show. his peeps sold the shirts outside the club. i made more money from my cut of those d*mn t-shirts than i made from doing the show.

now that's real.
 
Reefer said:
Good Question Spinster numero uno....
I'm glad you're in my city and I'm also glad you questioned me...I'm not gonna type my mission but you're in my city.This summer...You'll understand my mission and why I do things the way I do........

Remember this,ClubHouse Records.Mannish-Boy,DJ'Fingaz.

Thats all I'm gonna say.When it hit you.All I want is some recognition from you.......

I'll honor that ALL-DAY-LONG (as long as it's TIGHT).

If it is good music, I'll support you in the clubs and on the radio (I'll start DJ'ing the lunch-time mix M-F @ (12:00pm) on WGCI 107.5 FM. sometime next month)

Peace.....

spin
 
Realistically speaking...

I do it for the love...


diendolo
 
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