anyone with this setup?

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I'm set to record for the first time with my newly bought setup. I'm a littly shaky in getting it to do what I want, but I have an idea.

I have a Yamaha mg10/2. going into a m-audio delta 66, into a pc running adobe audition.

My plan is to record drums, with 4 mics. So I am running 4 mic cables into the 4 xlr jacks on my mixer. I have yet to figure out how to do the outs, so if someone has that mixer.. feel free to jump in. All this will go into the delta, with each mic on a seperate track.. (if I'm correct in assuming this). I have 2 pencil condensors for overheads, an sm58 on the snare, and a d110 on the kick.

What do you guys think?
 
Well that mixer does not have direct outs and only 2 inserts on channel 1 and 2 so dividing up 4 tracks will not work with that mixer you will have to step up to the Mg 12/4 to get enough inserts, Sorry :(
 
You could use the two inserts as outs and the mains out as four discrete outs.
 
Track Rat said:
You could use the two inserts as outs and the mains out as four discrete outs.
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TR I have a question for you since you have a REAL console, ok even though he will do the one click trick on the inserts wont channel 1 and 2 still go to the main outs?
 
I have no idea

speak in plain english.

I have no idea what either of you just said other than.. "you can't" and "you can".

so your saying on this mixer there are not 4 outs? not even mono outs? Why the heck would u have 4 inputs, and not 4 outputs.. doesn't make much sense.
 
If you look at your mixer by channel 1 and 2 those are the only channels that have a insert on them, I always thought that even if you use the one click insert trick that the sound will still go to the main outs also, what TR is saying is that you use the inserts on channel 1 and 2 and then you hard pan channel 3 to the left and channel 4 to the right, 3 and 4 will be you main outs thus giving you 4 outs.

But like I said before I thought that the sound even using the inserts will still go to the main outs rendering it useless, I could be wrong, my mixer has direct outs and inserts on all channels.
 
If you seat the connectors all the way in the inserts, it'll stop the signal from going to the mains. It will only be that mic on its insert. The mics in the mains you'd have to pan hard left and right.
 
Track Rat said:
If you seat the connectors all the way in the inserts, it'll stop the signal from going to the mains. It will only be that mic on its insert. The mics in the mains you'd have to pan hard left and right.
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I guess I misunderstood what a insert can do, I thought that full insert was for send and recieve and a half click was for a direct out :confused: Is this incorrect? Well I dont have to worry about it cause I have all direct outs and seperate inserts. thanks for that info TR.
 
so your saying on this mixer there are not 4 outs? not even mono outs? Why the heck would u have 4 inputs, and not 4 outputs.. doesn't make much sense.
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It makes Total sence...It is a "Mixer" so it Mixes multiple signals into One signal ,If each Input also had an Output and it didn"t mix the signals into a single signal then it wouldn"t be a Mixer but more of a Multi-Channel Pre amp....

I have a Simular setup to you....I use a 8 Channel Mixer and a Delta 44 and what I do is Mix my 8 Drum Mics into a Single Stereo Signal and output from the Mixer to Channels 1 and 2 of the Delta and record my Drums as a Mixed stereo Track....For this you have to have all of the Levels set up exactly right on the Mixer and you will have to do this through Trial and error but once it is set up you can Mark the Levels down so you can use the settings again....

For me this System works quite well and I get a Pretty Good Drum sound and I still have 2 more inputs on my Delta for recording Guitar and Bass so I can record most of a Whole band Live with pretty Good Quality....


Cheers
 
lol

Maybe I need to go back to school or something because this is still all greek to me. I was under the impression, if I can PLUG 4 things into the mixer.. hence 4 things must be able to be sent out of it. I've never dealt with inserts.. Just plain ol ins/outs. so basically i wasted my money.

i have a delta 66 which i will never be able to have more than 2 tracks with.
I'm not good enough at this to premix drums. I wanted to have the abililty to be able to fix things afterwards. Unless there is no difference?
 
If that was your impression then yup, you wasted your money by not doing your homework. Not busting your chops but the learning curve here is steep and expensive. It's like deciding one day that you'd like to play piano with no prior exposure to one, so you run out and spend $30000 on a nice one, have it delivered to your house only to discover that you have to LEARN how to play it. Read Weedhopper, read. :D
 
Well if TR is correct then you will be able to get 4 seperate tracks just try it, full seat for insert 1 and 2 then plug it into 1 and 2 on the Delta, pan track 3 and 4 and then plug mains into 3 and 4 on the Delta.
 
homework

I attempted to do my homework and it backfired. the descriptions (to me) for these things is misleading to the person who doesn't know the "l33t speak" as us nerd gamers like to call when people are talking in tech talk. when I see that I can plug 4 mics into it, and it has 4 preamps I assume I can throw that off into 4 tracks. My next question is.. if I conceivably bought 2 seperate pres, could I then do what I am trying to do without having to buy a whole new mixer?

I want to be able to have my kick drum on one track, one overhead on a track, another overhead on a track, and snare on a track. I know the delta 66 can do that, which is why i bought it in the first place. What do I need to achieve this now. In the meantime I can try to premix it into 2 stereo outs I suppose.
 
Track Rat said:
If that was your impression then yup, you wasted your money by not doing your homework. Not busting your chops but the learning curve here is steep and expensive. It's like deciding one day that you'd like to play piano with no prior exposure to one, so you run out and spend $30000 on a nice one, have it delivered to your house only to discover that you have to LEARN how to play it. Read Weedhopper, read. :D
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LMAO....................... :D See I didnt want to go there.
 
emomusician said:
Maybe I need to go back to school or something because this is still all greek to me. I was under the impression, if I can PLUG 4 things into the mixer.. hence 4 things must be able to be sent out of it. I've never dealt with inserts.. Just plain ol ins/outs. so basically i wasted my money.

i have a delta 66 which i will never be able to have more than 2 tracks with.
I'm not good enough at this to premix drums. I wanted to have the abililty to be able to fix things afterwards. Unless there is no difference?
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The Insert is a stereo 1/4 jack with half wired as an input and the other half an output. By only using the output half [as was already pointed out] they function as direct outputs [so that's 2 right there]. Then you can use the FX sends as the other 2 outputs and that will give you a total of 4.
 
ocnor said:
The Insert is a stereo 1/4 jack with half wired as an input and the other half an output. By only using the output half [as was already pointed out] they function as direct outputs [so that's 2 right there]. Then you can use the FX sends as the other 2 outputs and that will give you a total of 4.
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See I knew it was only a single click for direct outs!
 
Well, yes and no. One click taps off signal and also allows it to continue through the channel strip and on to the mains. Fully seating the connector breaks the internal connection and sends all the signal past the trim pot and BEFORE the EQ/Fader section out the insert and none goes on to the mix buss.
 
lol

so if I do it that way, I can.... correct?

by the way

# 4 mic XLR inputs
# 2 mono line TRS inputs
# 2 stereo TRS/RCA inputs
# 2 TRS insert I/O
# 2 TRS sends
# 1 stereo return TRS

this is from the features list on the mixer. I read the manual last night and I still don't understand alot of this. what is TRS? whats the difference in a send, and an insert?

I come from a world, where you plug a guitar into a jack in a pedal, and another cord comes out of the pedal into an mr8. so unless this is in plain english I will not understand. sends, inserts, and all that jargon means nothing to me nor how they are wired because I don't know how they function, and yes I have read plenty of articles.. and they all are written for someone who at least knows what these things do, they are not written for a person who has no idea.
 
where did you buy the mixer?

take it back if you can, get something with inserts on all channels. the behringer line has inserts on all preamp channels, so look there if youre on budget(as you most likely are, judging from your gear)

Adam
 
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