Anyone setting up 'Submixer' routing in ACKUS?

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I ran smack into this again. I want to sub my drum tracks for compression, then have it be included in the main mix comp.
V-main-out to V-main-in?
I suppose an aux-send feed might do it -way kludge kludge though.
Am I missing a trick here?:confused:
Wayne
 
Well, there are two ways I can think of to do this - although neither are the "correct" method. For the correct method, we'll have to wait for the boys at Cakewalk to release Sonar 3.0 with VMain to Vmain routing (I hope, I hope), or at the least some subMains that could be routed to Mains.

1. The easiest way is to set up an additional VMain with the same Outs as your primary VMain. Route your drum tracks to one of the VMains and everything else to the other one.

The limitation of this is that you won't have a meter that will display the "sum" of all the tracks, and therefore you run the risk of clipping.

2. Route the drums to an Aux Bus. Set the track pre/post fader settings to "Pre" and drop the track faders to infinity (i.e., no volume). Then use the "aux send" controls on each track to control the volume of each drum.

A little tedious, but I think it should work.
 
Thanks. I figured that was the case. The aux send route would get the two in series at least. I was thinking a pair of 'post-send' with the track(s) asigned to 'none', or a dummy main. That would still pick up the tracks' insert effects.
Are there any 'gotcha's when you increase the number of auxes in mid project? Seem like there were some post a while back.
Wayne
 
Well, that won't get it either. I see now track panning would be lost and it would probably have to be two mono comps anyway.
Big Sucky.:rolleyes:
Wayne
 
mixsit said:
Well, that won't get it either. I see now track panning would be lost and it would probably have to be two mono comps anyway.
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You must adjust the Send pan for the track(s), and you'll be allright. :)
 
What about this, When you are really set with the drum mix, take only the drums you want to compress, and mix them down to a stereo track, then mute the original tracks, and add your compression as a channel insert to the drums sub mix, like all the other solutions it has it's drawbacks too, but might work okay.
 
The biggest disadvantage with this would be that compression will be done on the complete kit. You can't compress the kick different than the snare, for example. :)
 
<<You must adjust the Send pan for the track(s), and you'll be allright. >>
I was thinking that the aux's would be mono, but there is a pan... So a comp in the aux buss becomes stereo, and the track's aux pans replace the normal pans...? This might be ok after all.

<<What about this, When you are really set with the drum mix, take only the drums you want to compress, and mix them down to a stereo track, then mute the original tracks, and add your compression as a channel insert to the drums sub mix, like all the other solutions it has it's drawbacks too, but might work okay.>>
Yes, this is a good option also. And I'm doing the indivual drum comps and eq in the track inserts, so that's not an issue.

Another thing a bout the aux sends; when you go above four, CONSOLE VIEW goes to a total waste of screen space.
But that's a whole 'nother rant right?:D :D :D
Wayne
 
mixsit said:
<<You must adjust the Send pan for the track(s), and you'll be allright. >>
I was thinking that the aux's would be mono, but there is a pan... So a comp in the aux buss becomes stereo, and the track's aux pans replace the normal pans...? This might be ok after all.
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You have pan on a mono-track too, right? ;) Works the same way...



Why is it waste of space to have more than 4 aux'es in the Console View?
 
The one time I tried it, to make room for the way the auxes stacked up, there were large areas of blank background in there. Only tried it once way back when.
Wayne
 
Is there any disadvantage of having lots of Aux busses?

In the Options > Audio menu under the general tab you can adjust how many aux buses there are. The default was 2.
I could really benefit from having a few more aux buses...am I sacraficing anything if i add a few more? Will my hardware support it?

I have an Athlon XP 2000+ (1.7ghz)
256mb ram
80gb 7200 rpm hd
Audiophile 2496
SB Live
Win XP

Thanks,
Scott
 
scottn5388 said:
Is there any disadvantage of having lots of Aux busses?
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No, not really. But it takes up some CPU-cycles if you use them... ;)
 
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