Anybody experience with Kurzweil Mangler?

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This thing is alleged to have great reverb settings but also great compression settings. One review said its compression would be great for a buss mix. I want to use it multi dimensionally as a/d converter, Reverb/fx, EQ, drum sub mix compressor, and overall mix compressor. Does any one feel this wouldn't work based on what you know about it.
 
If you want reverb, go with the Kurzweil Rumour, which has 9 different banks of reverb presets.

The Mangler only has 1 bank of lazerverbs, which are great in their own right, but will likely not cover all your reverb needs. The Mangler is more for distrotion/frequency shifting/ filters than reverbs.
 
Rumour has more utility with delays and chorus and reverb and laserverb and flange
 
There is more than just the laserverb in the Mangler, but those other reverbs are buried in the other presets, and are not nearly as programmable as those in the Rumour. If you want reverb, then the Rumour is the box to get. But obviously, if you want compression then the Mangler is the one.
 
SonicAlbert said:
There is more than just the laserverb in the Mangler, but those other reverbs are buried in the other presets, and are not nearly as programmable as those in the Rumour. If you want reverb, then the Rumour is the box to get. But obviously, if you want compression then the Mangler is the one.
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yea he's right. i got the mangler and so far its a BEASTTTT :D . sounds good and is super easy to use! you wont be disappointed!
 
I think you will find better, cheaper compression elsewhere. RNC, DBX 160a, or th like will get you nice compression The Kurzweil Rumour, while it has great effects and good converters is not known for its compression, I don't have experience with the Mangler
 
I'd like some specifics on the mangler,because I'm only butying one Kurzweil here. I mainly want it for compression and reverb individually and the ability to use simultaneously(I'd like a choice), an a/d converter, and for tracking compression.
So is it up to par for running entire mixes through its compression, and track compression as well? I don't think there's an independent Compression effect on the rumor. But even in those "reverb compression bundle" effects on the Rumor couldn't I simply just turn the reverb off? Don't know if that would cause a loss of quality since it would be a bundled patch. And is the Rumors compressor the same as the Mangler? Don't suggest analog compressors because to me having great effects and a/d converter is something I ain't passin up.


My biggest $500 spending justification question being, is there any concievable way to use BOTH the reverb and the compression at the same time on the Mangler??


I already know you can't combine one preset patch with another. Yet effects may be a different story, like on my GT-3 I can combine any effects for guitar.
You guys are my only hope, my research just brings the same old rehashed results, no stores have em, don't know anyone whose gottem, yet my gut says I could get great compression/reverb at the same time on my mixes and with great a/d conversion.
You'll save me from a 500 dollar impulse buy guys if you happen to know the answer, I'm a student and about to go back to the books so this is something I'm taking care of now in the butt end of 2005.(not in school right now.)
 
A couple things:

First, I don't even know if there is compression on the Rumour at all, so you should really take a a careful look at the list of presets. I wouldnt' consider it a compression box at all.

Second, neither unit is dual processor. There's one processor that runs in some cases a couple of effects. So however the effects are set up in the presets is how you have to use them. Of course, they have a lot of parameters to edit, but you have to work within how they laid out the effects.

I personally wouldn't buy a multieffects box for compression (although the Mangler and KSP8 have excellent compressors).

From your posts it sounds like you are pretty specific about wanting compression and reverb. The Rumour is a superb reverb box, an incredible value at the price in my opinion. However, for compression I think you really need to look elsewhere.

My suggestion would be to pick up the Rumour for the reverbs and then locate something like the TC Electronic Triple-C (stereo version). This will give you both high quality reverbs and compression (either single or multiband), and will allow you to stay all digital if you want to.

Or buy the Mangler for the compression and the other effects, and get a TC M300 for reverbs, or TC M-One.
 
If you can I'd still like to know if I could pull both off on the Mangler, yet I looked up those TC's and they look very interesting.
How would you fare the A/D converters on the Triple C, M300, and M-one as compared to the Rumor/Mangler's?
The TC300 looks very interesting, yet I would NEED it to have a spdif digital out that could send out 16 bit 44.1 for the digital in on the CD recorder. It will be useless if not, does the TC300 have switchable bit rate to 16 bit? I know it does 44.1. It doesn't say anywhere in my searches whether it can.
Are they eons behind the Rumor in reverb?
Those are in my price preference and they seem real practical. Thanks I'll stop bugging you that about wrapps up everything I would need to know.
 
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Have you downloaded the Rumour/Mangler user guide and algorithm manual? You can do that here:

http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/support.html?Id=1619

In the R&M user guide you'll find the effects tables, which tells you exactly which box has which effects. In that table every effect algorithm is numbered. You can then look up that algorithm in the algorithm reference guide and see exactly what the parameters are.

You'll notice that in both the Rumour and the Mangler the algo used to cover reverb/compression is the same one, algorithm #51. So in that respect it probably doesn't matter which unit you buy, because there is basically only this one algorithm that has both reverb and compression.

However, I personally would not want to be that limited in my choices. You can see from the User Guide that the Rumour has a lot more choices as far as reverb, and the Mangler has more choices when it comes to compression and other fx.

My own preference would be to go with the Rumour for the reverbs and get a separate box that's dedicated to compression. Like the TC Triple C stereo version, for example. The Rumour is a *seriously* good box for reverb, as good as units costing much more. The Rumour is a better reverb box than any of the lower priced TC's, better than the M-One's or the M300 in my opinion.
 
SonicAlbert said:
The Rumour is a better reverb box than any of the lower priced TC's, better than the M-One's or the M300 in my opinion.
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And the same can be said for it's convertors.
 
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