another question for the "PROS". i NEED these questions answered.

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i have some questions i need answered so i came to the right place.

1. are behringer products "quality" for a project studio or do they SUCK?

2. besides the presonus blue tube can i get a nice tube pre amp that has two inputs for under $250?

3.are samson S.COM rack units "QUALITY"?

4.does the BBE 482 sonic maximizer "work" or is it a waste of cash?

5. will i need a patch bay to hook this all up????

6. can one of you please buy these things for me? i promise to NEVER pay it back. lol


im serious on the first 5 questions guys. any help, tips, info or do's and donts are appreciated. i have around 500-1000 to spend so im "trying" to get the most bang for my buck.


czar
 
Whomever can provide a solid definition of "quality" can probably answer these questions.
 
1 - depends on which Behringer product...some suck, some dont...

2 - Art has a dual channel thats good

3 - dont know

4 - waste

5 - not necessarily

6 - not likely...most of us pick up extra $$$ selling blood, plasma, and sperm....
 
you know gidge i had the SAME answers that you gave. except for my last question. those answers are vague thats why i wanted some help from some of you.


1. i dont like the behringer mixers nor do i like the fx unit that my friend has. i have read reviews,posts etc by people who BLAST this company so i stay away. however if they make a good unit i will look into. gidge do you know of ANY good products they make?


2.i am looking into the art along with a presonus (not the blue tube)

3. i dont know either. have you EVER heard of these products?

4. i figured it was a waste. any time i see BLUE BEAR making a "sarcastic" joke about a product i take heed.

5. what will i need the patch bay for? i dont have wires all over the place.

6. i dont have enough body fluids to give at this time.


hey guys when i say "QUALITY" i mean something that isnt a "pain" and sounds good. i know you get what you pay for but you have CRAP quality like alesis nano compressors and you have cool quality like the dbx stuff. you have "GOD QUALITY" when you deal with those avalons and neves and all of that stuff.....



so do ANY of you have these "quality" products in your set ups?


czar

ps sorry if i dont make sense
 
Czar.... let me tell you a secret "quality is all relative...."

Now that you know the secret - I'll tell you what it means... this secret is why so many people have so many different opinions on gear, and why there are so many differing opinions on the SAME gear!

Whether gear is a "quality piece" or not is going to depend entirely on the level of gear it is surrounded with.

Here's an example...

Take a kid with a PortaStudio, and no other gear.... he messes with it for a while, gets some stuff down, but of course it doesn't sound anything like the commercial CDs sound he wants to emulate. So he decides he probably needs some effects... he gets some cheap-ass Zoom or something like that. He plugs it in, messes with it and at that point, ask him if it's a quality unit and he'll say ABSOLUTELY... Why? because it sounds "different" and better than what he had before....

Well... duh... Bruce - anybody knows that - what's your point?

Here - Now that same kid buys a Lexicon reverb (say a PCM81) that costs 10 times as much as his entire recording rig, because his studio pro friend recommended it (good choice, actually!).

He plugs it in, and gets completely pissed because he just wasted his life's savings on a effect unit, that compared to the Zoom, is only marginally better! HUH??? Of course, the Lexi is WAY better than the Zoom (again, duh!) - but within the context of using the 2 devices with his PortaStudio that is already sonically limited, he did not have a chain signal that would allow the Lexi's advantages to be heard.

Obviously, that's an extreme case, but it explains my point clearly.... it's not enough to ask someone for their opinion - when you get their opinion, you have to know something about the context in which they say it.

I generally hate Behringer stuff, but I have 2 pieces which find use in my studio... the Behringer Virtualizer - reverbs are pretty bad, but the delays are useful - and for $100 bucks you get a vocoder, which is a cool lo-fi effect. Within my control room, I find it very easy to hear the lack of quality in the Behringer's reverb compared to my Lexicons or even the Rocktron LTD (which is actually an amazing sounding unit that you can score at a good price used). The other piece is a 2-channel noise gate - hey it's a noise gate - it does what it needs to do!

SO....... to tie this all in with what you're asking.... the bottom line is when dealing with low-end or mid-end gear, only you will be able to judge the quality for yourself, since the judgement will depend on your skill and the level of gear you're going to be using with it.

You will play it safe by buying the expensive stuff (since, you've taken the mediocrity of the gear out of the equation), but whether you hear enough difference because of your rig's limitations to justify the cost is another story.

Bottom-line --- this post is a really long-winded way of saying "it depends!"

YMMV.........

:)


Bruce

PS - a patchbay is an excellent idea once you get more than 1 or 2 pieces of outboard gear - it lets you waste less time behind your console doing rewiring, and spend more time in front of it making music.
 
I wasn't going to respond because I am not a "pro", but
here it goes anyway, I have a Behringer,a Blue max, and a BBE,
used sparingly, I wouldnt part with any of them. (except the behringer which I dont record with , just monitor through.
Patchbays make things way easier for me anyway, and
I don't use the BBE on everything, just where it needs it.

You can hear them at www.mp3.com/samicide

feel free to flame at the TASCAM users forum, flame at the thread called Samicide mp3's.


peace.
 
vague=not clearly expressed or outlined

1)maybe your questions were vague.....ie "are Behringer products quality or do they suck"....how can that be answered...it depends on what you call quality and the results you expect from them....you didnt even specify which Behringer product....my answer some suck some dont was as dead on as can be considering the vague question......

2)nothing vague about that unit...Art is about the only tube pre id buy in that price range....maybe you should look for best quality preamp in that range instead of the word "tube"

3)no, i havent heard these units so thats why i answered i dont know....why is that vague?

4)you gave 2 options for an answer and i selected one...not so vague....

5)you would have had to list all the equipment you need and use and that still wont answer a "need" question...if you are constantly unhooking and hooking etc and are tired of it, then you need one.....

6)sorry, i have an unusually high level of testoserone.....

in closing it is very hard to define quality....i call the equip i have in my amature setup quality but other people may laugh at it....

see, you made a call out to the pros and a mere amature like me answered so that may have offended you...but you have $500-$1000 to spend on all these items andprosspend more than that on one preamp....but when you start talking bang for the buck, im a pro in that area...make a list of the gear you already have, what gear you need, and what sound quality you hope to have, and what situations you will be recording in (band, one man, real drums, etc.) and maybe someone can help.....
 
Does Behringer make those there Frossell things??:D
 
sent what i meant? theres one in every crowd.....

a Forsell huh?...i dont even have a foreskin.....
 
That's why they are so expensive - front panel made from foreskin for a very transient response.
Thank you for your kind donation Gidge:D
 
anything for a bud....
 

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Just My opinion, but if I had a budget that didn't go much over $1000, I would buy a Digi 001. I dunno if your looking to stay analoge. Not including a decent computer (maybe you already have one). But with the dDgi 001, you can skip the patchbay, mixer, outboard effects etc, maybe get a better mic pre than the ones it comes with, and buy some plug-ins. Obviously some may argue that outboard effects sound better, digital/analoge, that whole argument (I'm a new school kid with some old-school education). I'm just talking about budget, and if that's the money I had, that's what I'd get. Any of your projects would be compatible with a major studio, so if you wanted to go big-time on a project or hire a mix engineer, etc you could take the files to a big studio dump them to tape, run them through an SSL, whatever. Thus you don't lose analoge possibilities. You can have comfort that your compatible (even with other software). I don't work for Digidesign, but I am a Pro Tools user, and I'm loving every minute of it. The 001 will go for about $800 and you can use the leftovers to buy plug-ins or something. Look into it. www.digidesign.com This isn't coming from a hobbiest. I've seen a lot of these units on MTV "Cribs" in rock-stars' home studios. They record tracks at home and can always take them to whatever studio they want. You can also do good work start to finish on these units.
 
I think Bruce really nailed it. Context is everything.

Hang around this board long enough and youll get to know the importance of your signal chain. Start there. With $1000, get a card like the 1010 ($500) a used mackie ($200-250) a C1 ($200) and with the last $100 or so get good cable. That setup will do you right for a while.
 
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