jeffmaher
New member
Wow!
Here's what I heard: [or didn't]
This tune, to me, is partially inside bags popularized by The Beatles...McCartney....and B Joel's more epic pieces [Bottle o' Red, etc]. That's my base for comparison.
Kit is low. I keep wishing to hear those Ringo-fills way out front. [Day in the Life]
I can't hear the hats or ride....if there is any ride.
The Sir Paul bass is spot on.
The first timechange has more ambience on it. I thought the protocal might sound better reversed...with the first up-beat bridge dry, and starker than the slower emo-ish verses and choruses that come before and after...just conventions, but I guess I'm groomed.....
The first guitar was thin and fuzzbox like. I'm thinking the same part done with a fuller bodied, cleaner sound would compliment the piano better. Fit better.
A switch to a good orchestral grand piano sound would be swell in the dramatic portions.
The violin sample is not so sweet. Borrow a real fiddle and play it. Kinda simple...I know you can do it!
The bass drum is not so effective complimenting the round bass....don't know if it's lack of volume...or the heavy slap of the head, and no thud.... very 'plastic'.
I thought the vocal could use a little less mid and/or more hf.
Back of the throat sound, and the esses and t's are missing.
Nits.
And now the major pat on the back. I love the tune. The changes in the verse threw me...then I got into them. Unique. There's a strong, heartfelt message....I don't know what it was...but I felt it. Sounds like you mean it.
It a major piece. And it's real wicked swell! I'm just nitting the sounds and mix.
Here's what I heard: [or didn't]
This tune, to me, is partially inside bags popularized by The Beatles...McCartney....and B Joel's more epic pieces [Bottle o' Red, etc]. That's my base for comparison.
Kit is low. I keep wishing to hear those Ringo-fills way out front. [Day in the Life]
I can't hear the hats or ride....if there is any ride.
The Sir Paul bass is spot on.
The first timechange has more ambience on it. I thought the protocal might sound better reversed...with the first up-beat bridge dry, and starker than the slower emo-ish verses and choruses that come before and after...just conventions, but I guess I'm groomed.....
The first guitar was thin and fuzzbox like. I'm thinking the same part done with a fuller bodied, cleaner sound would compliment the piano better. Fit better.
A switch to a good orchestral grand piano sound would be swell in the dramatic portions.
The violin sample is not so sweet. Borrow a real fiddle and play it. Kinda simple...I know you can do it!
The bass drum is not so effective complimenting the round bass....don't know if it's lack of volume...or the heavy slap of the head, and no thud.... very 'plastic'.
I thought the vocal could use a little less mid and/or more hf.
Back of the throat sound, and the esses and t's are missing.
Nits.
And now the major pat on the back. I love the tune. The changes in the verse threw me...then I got into them. Unique. There's a strong, heartfelt message....I don't know what it was...but I felt it. Sounds like you mean it.
It a major piece. And it's real wicked swell! I'm just nitting the sounds and mix.
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heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Hey Kev...this may be my favorite of yours so far. Great performance and a very ambitious undertaking all around.
I mean, this isn't really the sort of thing I might normally listen to, but I am really impressed with how it came out and I enjoyed it much more than I would've expected based on the genre or whatever.
I really thought everything sounded great
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The only thing that might have stood out a little was the first time the distorted guitars came in. While I liked the guitar sound in and of itself, it seemed a bit too raunchy in relation to everything else that was going on at that moment. Maybe not too raunchy per se, just maybe not the best type of distortion for that bit right there...I dunno...
Nice job.
I mean, this isn't really the sort of thing I might normally listen to, but I am really impressed with how it came out and I enjoyed it much more than I would've expected based on the genre or whatever.
I really thought everything sounded great
.The only thing that might have stood out a little was the first time the distorted guitars came in. While I liked the guitar sound in and of itself, it seemed a bit too raunchy in relation to everything else that was going on at that moment. Maybe not too raunchy per se, just maybe not the best type of distortion for that bit right there...I dunno...
Nice job.
Llarion
New member
Your voice is wonderfully Joel-esque. LOve your ability to control your vibrato, bravo to you sir. Cool... Wow, what an ambitious piece, I envy your ability to conjur stuff of this scope. Must have been a BITCH to track by yourself. As a "multi" myself, I know about the sync issues and stuff you face. You've done very well indeed.
That said, I do have some production comments, I hope you take them in the constructive and helpful sense they are intended. I think the vox don't quite "sit" properly. The instruments are all there, in reasonably even measure, but it's like all parts and no whole; trees but no forest... there's less a sense of a unified soundfield than I think it might want. The drums have an unusual EQ curve too, I don't feel any low mids, there's edge and presence, and the low end is there, but the body is somehow lacking. Your vox blew the roof off just past halfway, on the long hold... got some clip going.
Jesus is this a cool piece, almost symphonic in its movements. Great stuff, searching for a more confident mix and master... What a treat.
That said, I do have some production comments, I hope you take them in the constructive and helpful sense they are intended. I think the vox don't quite "sit" properly. The instruments are all there, in reasonably even measure, but it's like all parts and no whole; trees but no forest... there's less a sense of a unified soundfield than I think it might want. The drums have an unusual EQ curve too, I don't feel any low mids, there's edge and presence, and the low end is there, but the body is somehow lacking. Your vox blew the roof off just past halfway, on the long hold... got some clip going.
Jesus is this a cool piece, almost symphonic in its movements. Great stuff, searching for a more confident mix and master... What a treat.
Chili
Site Moderator
From the very first note, I was wondering how the hell you got Paul McCartney to sing this for you. Then as I listened more I was wondering how the hell you got Paul McCartney to write this for you. Then I read the other comments. ha ha ha.
Love the meandering. From an arranging perspective, there is a lot of work involved. I don't think I have the focus to put something like this together. Very ambitious, I love it.
I hear some mix issues, but all in all, it's glued nicely. I hear the vocals breaking up on high and loud parts. Don't think it's the voice, I'm guessing you've got something close to max or clipping.
I want to say the drums don't match the rest of the mix, maybe kick is lost later in the song (4:12)... but, I'm thinking this mix might be something i would hear 30+ years ago.
Really nice song, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thaks for sharing.
Love the meandering. From an arranging perspective, there is a lot of work involved. I don't think I have the focus to put something like this together. Very ambitious, I love it.
I hear some mix issues, but all in all, it's glued nicely. I hear the vocals breaking up on high and loud parts. Don't think it's the voice, I'm guessing you've got something close to max or clipping.
I want to say the drums don't match the rest of the mix, maybe kick is lost later in the song (4:12)... but, I'm thinking this mix might be something i would hear 30+ years ago.
Really nice song, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thaks for sharing.
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cantthinkofname
Active member
i really loved it, sort of recently someone i know mentioned that they didn't think there were any new genres created since the 60's, after alot of thought i reached the same conclusion, i think its really an interesting time (or its always an interesting time?), i hate to admit it loving music as much as i do, in my own searching i even reached a confusing and painful point where i thought music was 'dead'
i love your song and to me it shows that it isn't yet in other ways embarrasingly, painfully i still wonder sometimes
is it dead, or embarking on something new as usual? are there really any new sounds, songs/ genres 'out there'? if so, would they even compare to what we allready have?
i love your song and to me it shows that it isn't yet in other ways embarrasingly, painfully i still wonder sometimes
is it dead, or embarking on something new as usual? are there really any new sounds, songs/ genres 'out there'? if so, would they even compare to what we allready have?
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K-dub
Well-known member
Thanks to ALL for the WONDERFUL input. This was a first pass mix, and for those who know me, I keep mixing until I've got everything properly sorted out.
I will look into the concerns mentioned here, and I'm grateful for the extra ears.
I'm doing everything in this particular piece, save the McCartney bass ... which is one of my most favorite bass parts in any of my songs. It was an amazing performance by Wayne Glaser, and I was stunned at how well he pulled it off.
Anyways, long day today. I'll be back again on the morrow.
Night all, and thanks again for the help and the kind words!
K-
I will look into the concerns mentioned here, and I'm grateful for the extra ears.
I'm doing everything in this particular piece, save the McCartney bass ... which is one of my most favorite bass parts in any of my songs. It was an amazing performance by Wayne Glaser, and I was stunned at how well he pulled it off.
Anyways, long day today. I'll be back again on the morrow.
Night all, and thanks again for the help and the kind words!
K-
joeym
New member
Great song, Kev.
It does remind me of the Beatles and that's more than good. Very interesting arrangement, it keeps the listener's attention. Nice "aahs" in the middle.
Splendid work, as usual!
Joey
It does remind me of the Beatles and that's more than good. Very interesting arrangement, it keeps the listener's attention. Nice "aahs" in the middle.
Splendid work, as usual!
Joey
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Greg_L
Banned
I totally agree with this. There's no glue holding it all together. It's like everything is in a different space with the vocals stomping them all down. I respect your ambition to be "epic", but I think you're overproducing yourself. I think the song is too long and has too many changes just for the sake of making a change. I found it hard to keep focused. Sorry bro.
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K-dub
Well-known member
I agree w/ it too, G ... and I know my material isn't what you'd normally listen to ... but getting that type of feedback is exactly why I post and solicit comments; but I'm not changing the song structure ... for it is what it is, and most like it.
On my monitors, the drums sound like two different sets ... an indication something is awry. On the small set, there is almost no low end to the kick. On the larger set, there's almost too much. The odd thing is that I've no eq on the set itself ... only individual pieces.
I'll get it sorted out.
Best,
K-
On my monitors, the drums sound like two different sets ... an indication something is awry. On the small set, there is almost no low end to the kick. On the larger set, there's almost too much. The odd thing is that I've no eq on the set itself ... only individual pieces.
I'll get it sorted out.
Best,
K-
Llarion
New member
I agree w/ it too, G ... and I know my material isn't what you'd normally listen to ... but getting that type of feedback is exactly why I post and solicit comments; but I'm not changing the song structure ... for it is what it is, and most like it.
On my monitors, the drums sound like two different sets ... an indication something is awry. On the small set, there is almost no low end to the kick. On the larger set, there's almost too much. The odd thing is that I've no eq on the set itself ... only individual pieces.
I'll get it sorted out.
Best,
K-
Without hearing the empty drum track, it's a bit of a guess, but I think the problem lies somewhere between 64Hz and 125Hz...
K
K-dub
Well-known member
I think the biggest problem, Phil, was that I'd put a little too much air around them, causing the discrepancy of sound that put them in a different space ... AND I had set them back into space a little too far.
I had a moment tonight to address (hopefully) all the issues mentioned above, hoping to pull the trees into the same forest ... so to speak.
New mix is on the link above. Let me know what you think!
And THANKS!
Best,
Kev-
I had a moment tonight to address (hopefully) all the issues mentioned above, hoping to pull the trees into the same forest ... so to speak.
New mix is on the link above. Let me know what you think!
And THANKS!
Best,
Kev-
Llarion
New member
Yes that's better, I think. The master EQ is slightly lopsided on my studio rig at the very bottom, but not overtly so. The A section seems to want some guitar, some light clean counterpoint, and a slight pad.. but the fact that I'm nitpicking arrangement choices now tells me that the soundfield's not bugging me anymore is good. It is a more cohesive set of choices and allows the listener to concentrate on your substantial vocals, and "feel" the song. Impressive work indeed.
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K-dub
Well-known member
Well put ... concisely, Phil ... in terms I get.
Thanks for the ears.
K-
Thanks for the ears.
K-
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K-dub
Well-known member
FWIW ... adjustments made on levels in the revised mix.
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K-dub
Well-known member
... and based on feedback from the net, further adjustments made ... and I call this one done.
Thanks to ALL for the valued input. Every comment helps ... and I listen closely.
Best,
Kev-
Thanks to ALL for the valued input. Every comment helps ... and I listen closely.
Best,
Kev-
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K-dub
Well-known member
btw ... something happened to me today I should pass along ... it's of note for listening.
Browsers have caches, so old mixes MAY play off the above link if certain embedded players ... like Quicktime ... launch the music.
To guard against hearing the old mix in the cache, remember to reload the page.
Thanks again!
Best,
Kev-
Browsers have caches, so old mixes MAY play off the above link if certain embedded players ... like Quicktime ... launch the music.
To guard against hearing the old mix in the cache, remember to reload the page.
Thanks again!
Best,
Kev-
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K-dub
Well-known member
I've a habit of putting songs up prior to their completion to get sage direction from the great ears that inhabit these boards ... and I always listen very closely to what the kind folks who comment say.
Those comments on many occasions cause me to alter lyrics or arrangement or mix or whatever it is that seems to garner concern from the critical listeners inhabiting these haunts.
Such was the case w/ this tune. It has been changed, and I just popped back to share.
Hope all is well, and as always ...
THANKS!
(You folks are ALWAYS a great help)
Best,
Kev-
Those comments on many occasions cause me to alter lyrics or arrangement or mix or whatever it is that seems to garner concern from the critical listeners inhabiting these haunts.
Such was the case w/ this tune. It has been changed, and I just popped back to share.
Hope all is well, and as always ...
THANKS!
(You folks are ALWAYS a great help)
Best,
Kev-