I am one of the thousands who have been studying from here. I have learned a great deal that has helped me to improve my sounds also. I really appreciate the input from the few guys who truly know what they are talking about. I haven't really perceived a lot of "spamming" here. The people who post here who also sell a product have a very valuable part to play in the discussions, in my opinion. I don't post much because I have little to say. You can tell who to listen to and who knows their stuff by the attitude of the poster - you can observe the maturity level. People like Harvey and a few others have no need to argue and moan and accuse and whine because they have aged and are established in their positions and have little to prove. I personally hope the issues can be resolved and the dialogue can be raised to a useful level once again. In my experience though, I have never been in a chat place or bbs where this has not happened. There is, in every square inch of the earth, I believe, an arrogant soul who cannot stand peace - who must assert his or her ignorance to an astounding degree. May I say to Harvey and to Alan and any other person who takes the time to speak (write) here: I truly enjoy the impartation of the accumulated knowledge and the manner in which you give it. Thank you. I would suffer loss if these gentlemen stopped posting here. I will now crawl back into my cave and be silent once again. Elvis has left the building.