Acoustics, Treatments, Arrangements

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Hello, I'm looking for help with the acoustic treatment of my home studio.
Here is my room in the exact configuration it is in now. Everything is scaled to exact size:
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My home studio is a converted spare bedroom in my basement. I will (luckily I might add) be getting my hands on some OC703 somewhat soon and I'm looking for the best configuration of my project studio. There are alot of things about recording that I understand but unfortunately acoustics is something I just can't seem to wrap my head around. I'm not even sure if this is the best way for my studio to be arranged :o
I'm definitely planning on building bass traps for the corners of the room, and possibly hanging some panels from the ceiling. If I get enough OC703 I will do my best to get the reflection points on either side of the listening position. My next thought would be to start using a combination of OC703 and acoustic foam to absorb a little more of the mid/high range reflections of my room.
From what I have learned, it is best for your speakers to be firing down the longer length of the room, but if I were to place my DAW desk facing away from the 13' 2" wall, would my closet/vocal booth (being the big size it is) be a problem?
Also (again, I'm really having a hard time understanding acoustics) What would be the best way to place treatment products? If the bass traps aren't going up the whole height of the corner, what height would be appropriate? also, how do I treat the corner where the ceiling meets the wall?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Your room is pretty damn close to a square so I'm not sure if moving everything around is gonna make that much diff.

I'd start with 4" thick 703 panels in the corners to the left and right of your mixing station and have them straddle the corners (45 degree angle). leave the air gap behind em. The couch may help but I'd still put some traps behind you too. Any chance of building some sort of cloud above your desk?

With square rooms, bass is gonna be your biggest dilemna. I'd do as many as I could and wouldn't go under 4" thick.

;)
 
Dogbreath said:
Your room is pretty damn close to a square so I'm not sure if moving everything around is gonna make that much diff.

I'd start with 4" thick 703 panels in the corners to the left and right of your mixing station and have them straddle the corners (45 degree angle). leave the air gap behind em. The couch may help but I'd still put some traps behind you too. Any chance of building some sort of cloud above your desk?

With square rooms, bass is gonna be your biggest dilemna. I'd do as many as I could and wouldn't go under 4" thick.

;)
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Yeah, I'm probably gonna do a couple clouds. The corners will obviously be taken care of first, then the reflection points behind me, and I'll either do the reflection points on either side of me or the clouds. Luckily for me I know a guy who can get OC70x for me fairly easily and won't charge me much if anything at all.

And honestly I would much rather have the desk facing away from the 13'2" wall just so my room won't look retarded but I was worried about the size and position of the closet making the reflection points behind me much worse.
Any thoughts on that?
 
I'd think that puttin a trap in the corner of the closet where the fridge is and one on the other corner by the couch.

One trap above your mixing desk where wall meets ceiling and another above the couch from wall to ceiling.
So you'd be lookin at at least 7 traps including the back right corner.

No acoustic guru by any stretch but it seems like those would be likely places.

Speakin of acoustic gurus........

Hey Frank! Where ye be lad?
:D
 
Dogbreath said:
I'd think that puttin a trap in the corner of the closet where the fridge is and one on the other corner by the couch.

One trap above your mixing desk where wall meets ceiling and another above the couch from wall to ceiling.
So you'd be lookin at at least 7 traps including the back right corner.

No acoustic guru by any stretch but it seems like those would be likely places.

Speakin of acoustic gurus........

Hey Frank! Where ye be lad?
:D
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I suppose I'll rearrange things here in a bit.

I'm fairly glad rick fitz isn't here to tear me apart :o I've read alot on acoustics but I just can't seem to get it.
I'll do as many traps as I can depending on how much material I get.

And what about the the corner of the closet that's sticking out into the room... anything I should do about that?

Oh and thanks for the advice dogdude, I appreciate it ;)
 
A TV and a Mini Fridge?

1. A regular tube TV produces a very audible tone around 12kHz.
2. The mini fridge produces a low frequency rumble around 60Hz.

All you need is some mid-frequency noise generator and you got yourself an appliance band....

I bet the appliance band parties after you leave the room. The mini fridge prancing around showing her coils... ok I'm done now.
 
Zeppe said:
A TV and a Mini Fridge?

1. A regular tube TV produces a very audible tone around 12kHz.
2. The mini fridge produces a low frequency rumble around 60Hz.

All you need is some mid-frequency noise generator and you got yourself an appliance band....

I bet the appliance band parties after you leave the room. The mini fridge prancing around showing her coils... ok I'm done now.
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tv is rarely on and the mini fridge is on only a fraction of the time.
If I'm doing anything serious they both get unplugged, But I like to just hang out in my studio too....
maybe kick back and drink a cold beverage? maybe watch some TV or a movie? Maybe crank some tunes and do a little reading on mixing?
Maybe realize that everything doesn't have to be 100% serious 100% of the time?

Ah you get the point...
Oh and don't worry, I've got lava lamps and christmas lights too.... I heard they produce a very lovely very audible frequency around 400Hz :eek::D:laughings:
 
Kingofpain678 said:
And what about the the corner of the closet that's sticking out into the room... anything I should do about that?

Oh and thanks for the advice dogdude, I appreciate it ;)
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I'd think that, if anything, it's gonna help with the diffusion. No flat surface to smack the wave right back atcha. Know what I mean? ;) Just gotta tame the other reflections. And I wouldn't think you'd want it absolutely dead. Just controlled.

There's a method called the mirror test for putting treatment on the walls to the left and right of your desk.
Something about holding a mirror at the triangle of your mixing position (where your head would be) and the first reflection is the place where you put your spot treatment (gobo). I'll dig around and see if I can find a link for ya cuz I really don't remember it that well. Just enough to help ya screw up your room. :laughings:

Anyway, glad to help man. :)
 
Looking at your drawing, I'm wondering about reflections arriving at different times from teh back because of the closet. This could produce an uneven feeling between left and right. Suggest swapping the couch and the DAW desk. Put OC703 in all 4 corners, 1st reflection point, back wall and a cloud. Oh, and 2x2 squares behind your monitors.
 
Chili said:
Looking at your drawing, I'm wondering about reflections arriving at different times from teh back because of the closet.
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That was my concern...

Well, I didn't know what the result of having two different reflection points behind me would be but I knew there would probably be some difference with different arrival times of reflections.

But to be honest so far I've gotten a suggestion to put the desk on the north wall (assuming north is up here)(which is why the desk is where it's at now), a suggestion to put the desk on the east wall, and a suggestion to put the desk on the south wall.

What I would like is to put the desk on the east wall
What I think would be best is to put it on the south wall

Maybe someone could pop in with another vote?
 
Yeah, I'm no expert, that's for sure. Is the closet there already? Can it be removed? General wisom is to have a big room for recording vocals instead of inside a tiny room.

Either way, it'll be a nice place when you're finished with it. :cool:
 
Chili said:
Yeah, I'm no expert, that's for sure. Is the closet there already? Can it be removed? General wisom is to have a big room for recording vocals instead of inside a tiny room.

Either way, it'll be a nice place when you're finished with it. :cool:
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Yeah, the closet is there permanently. I wish to god I could tear it down or expand the room but unfortunately it's not my house so it's not my call.

I really appreciate the input though man :cool:
 
Ok, so here's how my room looks now.
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What I'm worried about now is having my amp and TV so close to the corners... I'm not sure if and how that could affect anything but It's better to be on the safe side.

I really like having my amp somewhat close to me so I can adjust settings on it, and I'd like to be able to see the TV...
I would gladly set my amp in my bookshelf if it would friggin fit :( that would actually be pretty cool but I'm sure that it would also be quite a fire hazard.
Oh well, I still have a little wiggle room.

So any heads up on the position I have now?
 
I'd turn to the right, putting the closet behind you and to your right. You'll have the best shot at symmetry this way, and like another poster said, it won't make any difference in terms of size. It's pretty much square. Trap the front corners floor to ceiling and the rear corner formed by the right wall and the closet. Put 4" panels at all the reflection points, on the front wall and on the ceiling...6" panels on the closet wall and on the 7'9" wall with the door on it. The offset wall behind you (because of the closet) will help you, not hurt you.

Frank
 
Weasel9992 said:
I'd turn to the right, putting the closet behind you and to your right. You'll have the best shot at symmetry this way, and like another poster said, it won't make any difference in terms of size. It's pretty much square. Trap the front corners floor to ceiling and the rear corner formed by the right wall and the closet. Put 4" panels at all the reflection points, on the front wall and on the ceiling...6" panels on the closet wall and on the 7'9" wall with the door on it. The offset wall behind you (because of the closet) will help you, not hurt you.

Frank
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Awesome. That's exactly what I will do then.
Thanks for your input Frank! I really appreciate it.
 
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