Acoustical caulk

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Anyone any ideas what should be the specifications of caulk used to seal of gaps in studios ?? Eric Desart told me no silicone-based things, because they act as a spring, but something a bit stiffer... any links, pictures ???


Herwig
 
I could be wrong, but, I think any good 20 - 30 year interior/exterior grade PAINTABLE calk will do just fine.
Silicone is for the most part, not paintable, and that's why people stay away from it.
 
They do make acoustic caulking you can purchase at most home depot type warehouses but all it seems to be is an acrylic-based caulking. Basically, any acrylic-based caulking should suit your needs just fine.....usually the "acoustic caulking" goes for about $13 -$14 a tube.....not too bad if you're not going to do a gazillion feet.
 
Thank guys, I'll remember "20-30 years grade", "acrylic" and "paintable".

Herwig
 
With all the discussions of floating floors and resilient walls on this site, it would seem to me that the type of caulking would be dictated by it's intended use. Surely there are gaps to be filled that require a caulk that remains very flexible ( like silicon) such as between two movable surfaces, i.e. where a floating floor meets a wall, or a resilient wall and ceiling come together. If a hardened caulk bridges these types of gaps the sealant will eventually fail under the stress of the movement. Of course there there are plenty of stationary uses for paintable acrylic caulk as well.
 
Dan, you mean the acrylic isn't flexible ? I thought it had the same appearance as silicone... :confused: :eek: :confused:

Herwig
 
Eric has done some very serious installations with 100dB attenuation in one if I remember from the Acoustics egroup. I also recall him talking about short-circuiting two 180 metric tonne concrete steel sprung floating rooms by jamming a piece of wood in between them !he says that the isolation between the two rooms was so compromised you could hear a radio playing in the other when before you couldn't hear a 9mm blank , the isolation was that good. This is way way on from most studios unless your thinking of the Hidley Tracking room type places. I think his reference to butyl caulk would be for concrete to concrete gaps or wood raft type floating floors sat on 2" elastomer pads.I think pads of 13mm neoprene like most of us have here offer such a reduced performance that the caulking is less critical. I've never seen anything comparing noise attenuation of various caulks and I have looked, has any seen anything? I would like to know more on this but it seems to be a build it and measure it yourself scenario .Downsides of butyl - not paintable AFAIK and may stain drywall boards (it's quite like roof repair mastic).

It's all about balancing the isolation you require to the weakest component used. Now I thought that my drum room raft type floating floor,my wall are separate, of double 18mm chipboard/blockboard on 2X4"s on the flat on 13mm neoprene, with compressed rockwool in the void to reduced resonance, was gonna be way better for me than 30mm compressed rockwool that the floor originally rested on but things like door seals, wall construction have really meant that it hasn't made any real difference. I have used acrylic and silicone caulks for wall/ceiling junctions, some electrical holes and gaps filled with compressed rockwool (ripped into small pieces and pushed to a cable run). The compressed rockwool works really well provided you have enough thickness. This option was mentioned by Eric for use between raft floors and walls.

Cheers
 
DeadPoet said:
Dan, you mean the acrylic isn't flexible ? I thought it had the same appearance as silicone...

Herwig

I didn't mean to imply that acrylic is not flexible- I was mainly making the point that perhaps there is not a "one size fits all " here and that all have valid uses. I'm honestly not that schooled on how the acrylic compares to silicone in terms of remaining flexible but I do know from using it that quality silicone caulking retains a great deal of elasticity after it has dried. This was why I chose to use it throughout my place, particularly on gaps that may be prone to movement- and even on a few spots where I wish I hadn't ... (yes, silcone is unpaintable- a lesson best learned before you start putting it on any viewable areas!)

a 100db attentuation? Eric's the man! I'd follow his lead :-)
 
i am using OSI pro series sc 175 acoustical sound sealant.
it is gauranteed to remain flexible and to maintain the stc value
of your wall system.should be available at any dry wall supply.
i got lucky and and caught some dumb ass laborers throwing away 8 29 oz tubes on the constux site i was working on.
dont know how expensive it is,just know that it works great.
sheppard
 
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