Acoustic testing today...Gibson and Martin Win!

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Just a "for what it's worth" post.......

Ok, I got to sit for a couple of hours and work my way around the acoustic guitar wall at the local dealer. Not much subjective detail here, but I think these views generally confirm the prevailing public opinion.

I will start off by saying that they only had one Washburn, about $500, and it was not even close. Wont touch that one again. Felt like a first time guitar that an unwitting parent buys their kid for Christmas before he ever learns to play. Say no mo.

They did not have any Taylors.

Takamines were first. The $500 Tak's were noticeably inferior to the $1500 Taks. They were dull, thin, hard to play. The better Taks were smoother but too bright, too much high end sound. Kinda like the Ovation, but none of them played as well as my Ovation Legend.

The best $500 guitar on the whole wall was an Alvarez. That was also the first taste I got of the Elixir strings. Smoother, quieter, but nothing dazzling about the tone. But the guitar was easy to play, great tone all the way up the neck, consistent feel on all frets, but it just didnt' have the big sound like the big-bodied guitars have. It didn't have a price tag on it, and I mistook it for one of the more expensive guitars just because of the way it feels. This guitar was better than all the other sub-$1000 guitars on the wall.

Next was a Gibson J150, with J200 strings. $2200 dollars, beautiful guitar all the way around, nothing whatsoever to complain about here. I was amazed, and it made me wonder if I've been overlooking the Gibson electrics for too many years! This was an absolutely awesome guitar, best acoustic I've ever had in my hands in this little corn town!

Last on the wall were the Martins with SP+ strings on some of them. I assumed, apparently correctly, that the bigger the number the better the guitar, but with one exception. I tried a D16 ($1500 maybe? )and a DCAURA for $2600, but was not impressed. Sound was uneven and inconsistent, very nice in the middle of the neck, but hard to play and hard to hear down low or up high. The D15 for $800 was dull and lifeless, my Ovation is much better than that one.

Then I picked up the D28 for $2000 and the D40 for $2900. The D28 was nice, nicer than all the other guitars except the Gibson. The D40 was noticeably better than the D28, easy to play, perfect consistency in sound all the way up the neck, full tone, but again it was just not quite as nice as that Gibson.

The only Martin I played that was a tiebreaker with the Gibson was the D35 for $2600. It was obviously better than the D28, noticeably better than the D40, and it was just astounding to have that kind of smooth perfect tone and smooth perfect playing in my hand, all the way up and down the neck, it almost played itself. It was almost effortless and easy to play every song I know without making mistakes or sour notes. I loved it.

But it would definitely be an all day brain twister to try and choose between the Martin D35 and the Gibson J150. If I had to choose on the spur of the moment, based on what I remember about playing them both today, I would take the Gibson.

And I did notice how the heavier strings had better tone and more sustain in the sound. Harder to play, but I enjoyed heavier strings on a top notch guitar like the D35 a lot more than I liked lighter strings on a $1500 Takamine. My fingers would eventually adjust, and the improvement in sound would obviously be worth it. This fact alone is reason enough to toss out all those Earthwood lights and extra lights I have laying around. I will not use extra lights on my acoustic again.

They were limited on strings, so I am only testing 3 sets of strings - Elixirs, Gibson J200, and Martin SP+. The Earthwoods are history......
SC
 
soundchaser59 said:
The only Martin I played that was a tiebreaker with the Gibson was the D35 for $2600. It was obviously better than the D28, noticeably better than the D40


Ah, so you like the sound of the three piece back on the D35?

Just so you know, the D35 is not meant to be a 'step up' from the D28, its just a different style.
 
You need to play the Taylors, and the $1000 or so Breedloves. They are among the best off-the-rack acoustics I have played, in their respective price ranges. I confess, I am not particularly impressed by the current crop of Gibsons. I prefer older ones, whether acoustic or electric. And if you have overlooked the Gibson electrics all these years, simply go play some older ones. Just do it. There are reasons why thousands of top recording artists have used them for years. -Richie
 
as is always said about this stuff.............and you're doing the right thing......playing a bunch of different axes. my HD28 was picked out of 5, which all came in the same day, and I watched'em unpack'em. Only one spoke to me. I'm sure this would be true for any of the brands you tested.
 
This whole experiment even has me thinking I should toss out those Ernie Ball Super Slinky's I have on my electric, and go for a little bit heavier string on that too. heavier strings worked wonders on my Ovation tone last night (I tried the Elixirs first), if it can do that on an acoustic, it must help on an electric also.

Yes, me thinks I have overlooked Gibson electrics much too long. I got a sour taste one year after I traded my Ibanez Flying V for an SG. I was young and had no idea what I was doing, other than how to copy some Rick Derringer licks. Huge mistake! Found out a year or two later that the guy had broken the guitar in a fit of rage, and then had it repaired by a luthier. I took it in to get it reset and the luthier looked at it and recognized it immediately. I was pissed, but by then the guy had joined the navy. Oh well, maybe his beano got the big end of some admirals head stock!

Anyway, I guess I didn't realize I was holding a little bit of a grudge against Gibson because of that, and of course Gibson had nothing to do with it. I'm sure it was a super sweet guitar before it was broken. But a couple years ago I went to a company party and one of the guys had his Marshall and his $4000 Gibson and he let me play it. It was absolutely first rate, and I have slowly been rethinking my "grudge" ever since.

Dont get me wrong, I love my Ovation Legend and my USA Strat Reissue. The Legend is a 1982 spruce+mahog+ebony+ivory+pearl+gold plated heads, deep bowl acoustic electric cutaway "Glen Campbell" line. It was 8 years old when I got it, I've had it for 16 years, and the neck is still perfect and the tone is perfectly in tune all the way up the neck, it stays in tune sometimes for weeks and weeks without touching the heads, it almost plays like an electric, not one crack in the finish, etc. Heavier strings last night made an instant difference in sound and playability.

The Strat is a USA-made 40th anniversary reissue which I've modded slightly with Strat Noiseless pickups. I'm used to it, and it sounds a ton better thru the new Vox amp and the new Traynor amp than it ever sounded thru any Line 6 or Marshal MG or any Peavey ss amp. I'm thinking heavier strings would give me the same benefit there as I got last night with the acoustic.

But test driving that Gibson 2 years ago is something I will never forget, and I must say again that if I had to decide on the spur of the moment (assuming I had $5000 burning a hole in my pocket!!) I'd buy a Gibson electric and the J150......then I'd put the D35 on my Wish List!

Thanks for the input, people, appreciate it! - SC
 
just goes to show you

there is no right or wrong, only what your preference is. I personally don't like Ovations, but you've got one you love, so more power to ya. I've got an old Epiphone acoustic that most people wouldn't take as a gift, but I like it. You do need to try some Taylors before you make up your mind, and lots of others, too. I love the way Taylors play, but I'm not too thrilled with the sound. Glad to see somebody else that likes the Gibson acoustics, though, I was beginning to feel all alone. Everybody's always all about Martins and I just don't see it, but maybe I'm not refined enough in my abilities to be able to appreciate them. That's OK. At least there's one expensive thing I don't want. What I'd love is a guitar that plays like a Taylor, sounds like a Gibson, and is priced like an Applause. :D On the cheaper end, I really like Yamahas. Just a really nice, well-playing, everyday guitar.

Never tried a Breedlove, though.
 
Outlaws said:
Ah, so you like the sound of the three piece back on the D35?

Just so you know, the D35 is not meant to be a 'step up' from the D28, its just a different style.

I have the HD35. I chose it over the the D28's as the three piece back adds a bit more bottom, which I preferred when I was trying them out. I also got an exceptional deal on it new which I can't say did not help influence my decision.
 
Carvin Cobalt

I received a Carvin Cobalt 750 for my 50th birthday.
I played this guitar for a day when it arrived.
The next day I went to the local GC and played an "on sale for $1200" Martin and an "on sale for $1400" Taylor. Neither of them came close.
The Carvin was $619.00 with a case and includes the Fishman Prefix Plus electronics.
Thye have gone up a tad in price but now offer Fishman Prefix Plus T electronics (built in tuner?).
The action on mine is better than on my electric.
(I see the comedic Leprachaun was here :D)
 
I have one of those 40th anniversary Strats also. I've also got a Gibson Les Paul, and while they are both great sounding guitars, there is just something special about the Gibson.
 
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