A thread you may have missed about mixing

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Thanks for blowing the dust off of that thread, Harv. It is indeed a useful thread.

The think that I always find a distrubing combination of amazing and un-suprising is that there is absolutely nothing new, radical or secret in the best information in that thread. It is all just basic, fundamental wisdom that is no different now than it was five years ago or 25 years ago. No secrets. No tricks. Just the fundamentals.

Why this stuff just does not seem to sink in is the most disturbing part. To get personal for just a second here, I found the mixerman explanation of 4-D (or 5-D) mixing to be a thankful refreshment. I came to this board some three years after that thread had died, and have been talking about 4-D mixing and ever since then. I have been met mostly (not entirely, but close enough) with the Internet equivalent of blank stares. It just amazes me how such basic yet important stuff just continuously fails to soak in to the public psyche.

And the initial posts related to microphones are the belssed exception that proves the rule as to why I left the microphone forum very shortly after I came here. If people here understood and internalized just what you are describing there about the use of microphones, 90% of the uninformed phallic-waving content of that forum would dry up and disappear, and maybe leave some room for asking and answering some real questions about tracking with microphones.

Thanks Harvey. :)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Thanks for blowing the dust off of that thread, Harv. It is indeed a useful thread.

The think that I always find a distrubing combination of amazing and un-suprising is that there is absolutely nothing new, radical or secret in the best information in that thread. It is all just basic, fundamental wisdom that is no different now than it was five years ago or 25 years ago. No secrets. No tricks. Just the fundamentals.

Why this stuff just does not seem to sink in is the most disturbing part. To get personal for just a second here, I found the mixerman explanation of 4-D (or 5-D) mixing to be a thankful refreshment. I came to this board some three years after that thread had died, and have been talking about 4-D mixing and ever since then. I have been met mostly (not entirely, but close enough) with the Internet equivalent of blank stares. It just amazes me how such basic yet important stuff just continuously fails to soak in to the public psyche.

And the initial posts related to microphones are the belssed exception that proves the rule as to why I left the microphone forum very shortly after I came here. If people here understood and internalized just what you are describing there about the use of microphones, 90% of the uninformed phallic-waving content of that forum would dry up and disappear, and maybe leave some room for asking and answering some real questions about tracking with microphones.

Thanks Harvey. :)

G.
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I would very much like to hear ANY thing you have mixed with this 4D approach. :rolleyes:

Forget that, just ANY thing you have mixed.
 
I've tried the 3D mixing approach, as in, using a combination of EQ/volume/and reverb to create depth and still have been unsuccessful. It's very hard to give each instrument it's own space and still make the song sound coherent and like all instruments were not tracked individually. :(

That was a good read though, I never saw that thread before. I wish it went into more detail though on the 3D/4D/5D mixing techniques.
 
A great read... thanks Harvey. I've seen that before I think in another place, and it's good to look it over again. Nice to see quality discussions of that type at HR. I also appreciated Ford Van's thread on mixing techniques re-posted a few months ago. Anyway, much appreciated as it seems like we have a high level of posturing and arrogance around here sometimes.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
We've already played the "Show me yours" game, Walters. Been there, done that. I've put in my stint entertaining you, it's someone else's turn. I'd say it's about time you make a new Walters post on Gearslutz asking about 4D mixing, isn't it? Or maybe Harmony Central?

G.
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FORD VAN IS WALTERS??????!!!! I'm crushed!
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
And I would very much like for you to send your donations to the following organizations:

http://www.down-syndrome.org/
http://www.ndss.org/
http://www.downsed.org/

We've already played the "Show me yours" game, Walters. Been there, done that. I've put in my stint entertaining you, it's someone else's turn. I'd say it's about time you make a new Walters post on Gearslutz asking about 4D mixing, isn't it? Or maybe Harmony Central?

G.
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I will send each of those organizations $20 each for each song that you post where you engineered it fully.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
And I would very much like for you to send your donations to the following organizations:

http://www.down-syndrome.org/
http://www.ndss.org/
http://www.downsed.org/

We've already played the "Show me yours" game, Walters. Been there, done that. I've put in my stint entertaining you, it's someone else's turn. I'd say it's about time you make a new Walters post on Gearslutz asking about 4D mixing, isn't it? Or maybe Harmony Central?

G.
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Are you seriously retarded enough to think I post as walters? I mean, I know you are not all "with it", but to suggest that? If you want to know who walters is, have Dragon cross reference his ip address with some other members. It certainly won't cross reference to mine dumbass!

I played the "show me yours" game, and several times. You posted one half assed sounding track, that you made a bunch of excuses about. You HAVE NOT "been there, done that" HERE!!! :mad:

You spout off like you are some expert about music production, but NEVER post your work as a way that people can determine whether your advice is worth a shit or not. I SERIOUSLY doubt that you have ANYTHING that sounds "killer" or even "good". Simply, you spout off a bit of "technical" knowledge, but can't really apply it to your own work!

Prove me wrong Glen. I am serious. I would love nothing better than for you to show me how good of an engineer you are examples of your work! Just think of how much of a "slap down" that would be on me!

But, you are never gonna do it. You know that truth about your "mixing skills", and so do I!
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
And I would very much like for you to send your donations to the following organizations:

http://www.down-syndrome.org/
http://www.ndss.org/
http://www.downsed.org/

We've already played the "Show me yours" game, Walters. Been there, done that. I've put in my stint entertaining you, it's someone else's turn. I'd say it's about time you make a new Walters post on Gearslutz asking about 4D mixing, isn't it? Or maybe Harmony Central?

G.
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don't worry Glen, anything you post would be much better than this recent crap he posted here in this thread:
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=251436 :rolleyes:
 
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Nice thread Harvey. So what ever happened to Mixerman anyway? He was becoming sort of an internet audio legend.
 
Your opinion has been noted several times already, Ed/Ford Van/Walters/Sonusman and all the other personas you have had here in the past before getting kicked off/banned from this board here several times already.

Go play your little "outlaw" game with someone else. It bores me.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Your opinion has been noted several times already, Ed/Ford Van/Walters/Sonusman and all the other personas you have had here in the past before getting kicked off/banned from this board here several times already.

Go play your little "outlaw" game with someone else. It bores me.

G.
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Seriously Glen, you are that "guy with a studio" that some middle 30's husband/wife team go to and record an "album". About $3k into, they realize it isn't sounding so hot, and that your opinions on what sound good are mostly worthless. They start considering their options. Finish at another studio. Ditch the whole project. Try to talk to you about doing it over. What they fear is that if they try to talk to you about it, that you will go off on another long talk about signal to noise ratio's, and 8d mixing techniques. :rolleyes:

They might say things like "Well, but he is a cool guy and I don't want to offend him", or "It would be so embarrassing to him if we went elsewhere", etc... So, they usually try to finish up as quickly as possible and cut their losses. I doubt you are the type that ever gets a client coming back to record a CD.

If I had a buck for every "engineer" I have met that has a bit of book smarts about this, but cannot intentionally produce even a minute of great sounding audio................

Live the lie buddy......
 
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