A push mix of something going on a local radio station soon...

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Okay, this is FAR from a mix! This was done right after tracking all the vocals (6 tracks worth!).



Don't tell anyone in Roxette that I posted this....:) We are working on the publishing paper work....;)

This is a local band who's lead guitar player owns a studio I work out of from time to time. They brought me in on this song to see how we would all work together on stuff because him and the singer/guitar player/songwriter felt they needed another set of ears and other opinions on their next CD to improve. These sessions went very well for everyone, and it looks as though I will be tracking their next CD, probably this summer. I am looking forward to it.

I will of course have a proper mix of this in about a week and will update this post then with it.

Here is a rundown on the tracking.

Kick - D-112 through a Drawmer 1960 preamp.

Snare - Sm-57 through an ART Pro preamp

Tom's - Sm-57's through TL Audio Ivory series preamps.

Overheads - A AT 4033 and 4050 (4050 on the hi-hat side) through a Focusrite Red preamp.

Bass - DI'ed through Drawmer 1960 preamp. Tad of the tube compression used going to tape, no more then 2 dB here and there.

2 Rythem Guitars - SM-57 through Drawmer 1960 preamp.

1 Rythem Guitar - POD to a Joe Meek VC3

1 Clean Rythem guitar - POD to Drawmer 1960 preamp.

Lead Guitar - 4033 through a ART Pro preamp.

Drum loops and what not - Forgot what unit he uses, but it ran direct ot the Joe Meek.

All keyboards - Direct to the Joe Meek.

All vocals - ADK 51TC tube mic to a Focusrite Red preamp with the Drawmer 1960 Tube compressor.

There is one vocal track (the dirty sounding one during the chorus and the end "rap" part) that was a SM-57 through a POD to the Joe Meek.

We are tracking to ADAT XT-20's and mixing via the optical ADAT cards on a Yamaha O2R and using NS 10's and Sundholm monitors (sorry, forgot which model, but I am not using them much as I don't really know them at all).

This was mixed direct to DAT and sample rate converted to the CDR burner to burn the disk. Not the way we will be mixing this puppy. Flown into my computer digitally and converted to mp3...blah blah blah.....

I am most impressed with the ADK 51TC mic!!! This is a great sounding tube mic. None of the vocals you hear have any eq or compression applied to them. That is the way they actually sound!

Anyway, enjoy.

Ed
 
Sounds great! Not a huge fan of the tune, not my style, but it's great recording wise. Can't wait to hear the final mix either.

Jake
 
:)

I like everything but the constant reverb on the snare... A tad more bite to the vocals. I'm always searching for that big vocal sound... its hard... good job!
 
After night 1 of mixing....

Okay, spent about 7 hours last night at the studio to get this far. A lot of that was setting up his studio to mix to my soundcard, and setting up a D4 for the kick and snare drums. Triggering is a bitch when you don't have proper gates between the track and the module! :)



Okay, a couple things...

We discovered, much to my suspicion that the Yamaha O2R the studio has WAS NOT dithering at the output!!! Bad bad bad mistake there! The studio owners comment once dithering was applied? "The eq's sound much better!". Got that fixed. My route for mixing is the O2R stereo outs to a Drawmer 1960 preamp/compressor with the preamp bypassed, and using no compression. I just wanted a tube stage for the mix as I like the sound. I tried an AES/EBU from the console to the soundcard and found that is sounded very bad when compared to doing a D/A, tube device, A/D into the soundcard at 24 bits. The mix lost is "majestic" sound going digital all the way, so I axed that idea.

The stuff that still needs to be addressed I feel are:

Synth stuff is fighting to be heard. They need to be thinned out a hair and possibly compressed.

Most of the drum sample stuff is not in the mix yet. There is some interesting stuff that will be added here....:)

The vocals need a bit of work, mainly in automating levels. With so many parts it is easy to dominate the mix with them, and still not have a well balanced mix.

I think that around the transitions in the song, some dynamics need to happen to create tension. From part to part, the levels are good, just that there isn't much tension getting between the parts dynamically speaking. This will be addressed via volume automation tonight.

I need to tighten up the effects a bit more.

I have a few drum tricks I will be doing to make them a bit bigger sounding and "gel" the set together a bit better. It will sound like he is hitting them harder...wait til you hear it....:)

A few other things, but I don't remember at this point...have to check the notes at the studio.

This will be done tonight as the studio has a big project starting tomorrow so I have to rewire the studio back to it's original state, so I WILL finish this mix tonight.

Ed
 
sonusman-

I like that vocal sound alot. I know it is the combination, but which of the three components (mic, pre, comp) do you think is the most integral to the sound?

H2H
 
My hearing has gone on the fritz for the moment (really annoying: I can't hear at all out of the left side; I'm sort of hoping [sarcasm] that this is not permanent) so I won't comment on the sound (yet),
but could you clear up for us newbies what you mean by "A Push Mix"?
And are both of these samples you've posted an example of such a mix or just the first one?
 
Damn...

The 2nd one sounded better... I wanna know how you got that snare sound, and what all your EQ settings are... good job....
Mag
 
You obviously really know your shit, Ed. But I didn't have to tell you that. Very impressive.

Jake
 
Hey doc -

A push mix is one where you more or less mix on the fly, or just "push the faders up and let er' go" without getting into too much eqing or adding effects and what not. A "quickie" per se.....:)

Thanks for the nice words guys. I am starting another thread now with the finale mix. The older "push mixes" will not be available because of the limited server space I have with my ISP.

Look at the other thread for the finished product.

Ed
 
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