A Little Tascam 388 Studio 8 Trivia

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I ran across a Tascam Users Group publication from 1990 while straightening up an old file cabinet. It listed a couple 388 owners at the time.

- Aretha Franklin –Used for pre-production in her private studio
- Jay Levy – The center of his personal studio in 1990. He also used a TEAC A-6100 for mastering

It’s certainly not a toy. ;)
 
Beck said:
I ran across a Tascam Users Group publication from 1990 while straightening up an old file cabinet. It listed a couple 388 owners at the time.

- Aretha Franklin –Used for pre-production in her private studio
- Jay Levy – The center of his personal studio in 1990. He also used a TEAC A-6100 for mastering

It’s certainly not a toy. ;)

I'd like to see MCI2424 tell those two that their choice, the 388, "sounds like shit". :eek: :D ;)
 
Madonna's "Erotica" album was also supplemented by the good 'ol 388:

"When it came time to record demos, we laid down a track of SMPTE on the last track of my 8-track Tascam 388 Studio 8 reel-to-reel, which has dbx. Usually we'd put the track down on tracks 1 and 2 in a stereo mix, and then bring Madonna's vocals in on 3 through 7 - a lead, a double lead, the harmonies, and the background parts. Ninety-eight percent of the time, the vocals recorded in my apartment were the keeper vocals, the ones you hear on the album."​

Source: http://www.madonna-online.ch/m-online/interviews/interview-sites/92-10_the-erotica-diaries.htm
 
cjacek said:
I'd like to see MCI2424 tell those two that their choice, the 388, "sounds like shit". :eek: :D ;)

I don't see them using a 388 at all on any of their albums. Actually knowing a few of the engineers who worked with these artists confirms that the stories are only 1/2 right.

You guys will try anything to justify using the hunk. I swear, I love this BBS because the comfort level of all the mangled stories in history is at the highest.

You know, many VERY famous musicians also use the iPod.

Something to think about the next time you are on eBay.
 
Jesus, MCI2424, will you stop with your "holier-than-thou" attitude already!? :rolleyes:
 
cjacek said:
Madonna's "Erotica" album was also supplemented by the good 'ol 388:

"When it came time to record demos, we laid down a track of SMPTE on the last track of my 8-track Tascam 388 Studio 8 reel-to-reel, which has dbx. Usually we'd put the track down on tracks 1 and 2 in a stereo mix, and then bring Madonna's vocals in on 3 through 7 - a lead, a double lead, the harmonies, and the background parts. Ninety-eight percent of the time, the vocals recorded in my apartment were the keeper vocals, the ones you hear on the album."​

Source: http://www.madonna-online.ch/m-online/interviews/interview-sites/92-10_the-erotica-diaries.htm


Oh, I forgot that wonderful album recorded by Bruce Springsteen on the bountiful porta-studio.

You guys should go banannas over that. again, the port-studios are abundant on eBay and finding gleaming pristine examples should be a snap.
 
MCI2424 said:
I swear, I love this BBS because the comfort level of all the mangled stories in history is at the highest.

...and I always get a kick out of people such as yourself who think they know more than they actually do. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe MCI will regale us.....

with some wizardry of his he has produced on his better than tho' machine. I'd love to hear it. How bout it daddy show us how it's done with your real machine. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ
 
MCI2424 said:
Oh, I forgot that wonderful album recorded by Bruce Springsteen on the bountiful porta-studio.

It was the TASCAM 144 to be exact, with Dolby B. Unfortunately, no one thought of doing regular head / tape path cleaning at the time the Nebraska album was recorded, which resulted in less than stellar sound quality. The cars and truck passing by, as captured by the mics, didn't help either. So the story goes .... ;)
 
elmerfunk said:
with some wizardry of his he has produced on his better than tho' machine. I'd love to hear it. How bout it daddy show us how it's done with your real machine. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ

I think we're not worthy to listen to "his holiness'" productions. ;)
 
elmerfunk said:
I'd love to hear it. How bout it daddy show us how it's done with your real machine. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ
if mci-twenty-something-what-ever really IS what he pretends to be, then you've forcefully heard it already many many times without asking for it on mtv (or some other similar sanctimonious pathetic enterprise) and thus the chances that it does not suck are slim to non... :D ... so? ;)
 
MCI2424 said:
I don't see them using a 388 at all on any of their albums. Actually knowing a few of the engineers who worked with these artists confirms that the stories are only 1/2 right.

You guys will try anything to justify using the hunk. I swear, I love this BBS because the comfort level of all the mangled stories in history is at the highest.

No MCI, it’s quite the opposite with you in particular. You regularly dismiss well-documented, verifiable information (which is the only kind I share here), and even global industry standards in favor of your own limited experience and exposure (real or imagined).

Your misconceptions are the standard that you insist the rest of the recording world must conform. You can only get away with that sort of nonsense in cyber-reality. It doesn’t matter who you are, who you know, where you’ve been, what you’ve done or how long you’ve done it… you generally speak here like a rookie… an eternal white belt.

You knowing professor X, Y and Z, whether true or not is not a sound argument because you haven’t established yourself as a credible source – far from it. Why should we let you speak for anyone when they do a fine job of speaking for themselves?

I am familiar with Daniel’s reference to Madonna and it is absolute incontrovertible fact. Furthermore, my reference concerning Jay Levy and Aretha Franklin is not an urban legend. It’s right here in my hand – pre-Internet in an official Tascam publication from 1990.

The publication contains a two-page interview with Jay Levy in which he praises the 388 for various features and also reveals the following:

“I can get most of my work done on the 388 and only use 24-track occasionally”

Hmmm, now why would Levy want to use the 388 at all when he had access to the highest state of the art available at the time? Could it be he had some talent and ability – something crazy like that?

Like Madonna, many of his original tracks recorded at home on the 388 ultimately ended up on the finished product. This was common in analog project studios – the norm. I guess you had to be there.

As entertaining as you find argument for arguments sake, I wouldn’t bother to participate in any dialog with you on any subject, if it weren’t for the fact that through my silence, I would be an accessory in your effort to sabotage this forum.

You can’t patronize people like Daniel or me, and you know it. Your rhetoric is intended for those younger and new to analog. And it’s for their sakes that I can’t pull any punches. I don’t mean to be unkind, but you give a person no choice. For the record I have to say, your contributions are generally uninformed and inaccurate to the point of absurdity.

We’re all really sorry you couldn’t get anything out of the 388 when you used it. That’s a bummer. However, Tascam does clearly state in the manual the following sage wisdom:

“Recording is an art as well as a science. As a result, your finished product may be judged more by artistic criteria than technical performance. Art is the province of the artist and TASCAM can make no guarantee that the Studio 8, by itself, will assure the quality of your work. Your skill as a technician and your abilities as an artist will be significant factors in the results you achieve.”
 
a side note:
I love the way tascam manuals were written back then, you dont get shit like that these days, hell if you even get a manual at all
 
To argue with what Beck said would be suicide, for the lack of a better term. Well written, Tim.
 
Thank You Beck.....

Very well said Beck.....while this is a forum and everyone has their own opinion on things, people with less knowledge come here to find help, not criticism for the gear that they own. All we can do as members is try to point them in the right direction with the signal chain that they have. Cutting down their signal chain blatently will discourage people into asking for help or even recording. I have enjoyed hindreds and hundreds of hours tracking and learning on my own with out the help of forums, and if I can steer someone in the right direction I'm happy. I am NOT going to ram my opinions down their throat and make them feel inferior. While I may not agree with their choice of products, I may point out better options, but in a way to make them look at it from a better point of view. I know you can't change the MCI's and the lot, but remember there are people here looking for your knowledge and wisdom. At least try to help....
 
Bigsnake00 said:
a side note:
I love the way tascam manuals were written back then, you dont get shit like that these days, hell if you even get a manual at all


Yes, I know what you're saying. I like that too. You could tell they were coming from a high respect for the art and not just out to make a buck.
 
elmerfunk said:
...All we can do as members is try to point them in the right direction ....
.... which is written on the cold moldy stone (as we (recording artists!) are just a bunch of lost warriors on the crossroads):
"If you go left - you lose your horse, If you go right - you lose your head, If you go straight you find nothing"
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I wish there was a such thing as "right direction". .... but wait! NO! No way! There shall be no such thing. Because If there was such thing, then there would be no such thing as ART of recording.
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here's the visual of the tale (from Victor Vasnetsov):
 

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elmerfunk said:
with some wizardry of his he has produced on his better than tho' machine. I'd love to hear it. How bout it daddy show us how it's done with your real machine. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ

For the life of me I can never really understand WHY people are so interested in what someone has recorded and what quality their recordings sound like when discussing a simple thing like a tape machine?

What does production quality have to do with it?

A 388 is a sucky machine compared to most reel-to-reels for a hundred reasons, none of which have anything to do with how talanted the operator is? It is also a great machine for its intended audience. It is a home demo machine made for throwing down ideas and playing them for a band.

Get a life, people. If you are happy with something like a 388, be happy and quit trying to defend your choice. I am quite sure Madonna does'nt tell the studio engineers at Sony how much her 388 blows away their Studers, do you?

The tracks you guys are talking about have a lo-fi quality that was chosen for an *effect* much like a guitar pedel. Its not like the whole album was recorded with a 388.

Accept the fact that I paid the same *or less* for my E-16s and a tad more for my MCI 24 track and am happy with my decisions. I don't run around defending them against Studers and the like because if I wanted a Studer, I would have a Studer. Its that simple.
 
speaking of missing the point... yeah.
...if I wanted a Studer, I would have a Studer. Its that simple
...
heh heh heh.
since the point is missed and long gone from the radar, then why not to push it harder... even beyond the nonsense line:
????
we ain't no Rs , we are Bakers!
You wanna track? - you gotta have a TRUCK!
Get a life, people:
 

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