A little on my mind....

[TASCAM MAN]

I have a NEO and now a MKII and love them both and one hope to get some of my music published cause I don't like to just put things out half finished so....a lot of work to be done still learning a new way of recording. Ive recorded with Reel to Reel since 1976 when I bought a used Teac 3340 (4 TK) and made free demos for all my friends back then...graduated up to a Tascam MSR24S/M3500 (still have sounds wonderful) mixer later on, now that was THE SHIT and still is!!!...now these hard disk recorders(don't like to call them Portastudios cause people think of cassette) have made it easy for me cause it still has some knobs and I definitely have to have sliders. My NEO came with the last production ones with a 160GB hard drive already built into it,plenty of time on it before exporting to another hard drive for storage or backup.I DONT like the idea of recording on computer, my laptop has been my means of entertainment, dating sites, news, surfing etc etc for over 6 yrs. (since my divorce) and I don't like looking at a dam computer screen and a mouse when creating music, its not inspiring like having a mixer in front of me along with all my other other outboard gear hanging around when needed!!! The 2488 should have become a standard instead of moving on to the DP24 for one reason if nothing else was the hard drive built in to it. Great machine TASCAM ....and they are out there to be had a cheap prices unbelievable for what you get and also sound just as good if not better than a lot of the DAWS out there and without having to buy all the soft ware and hardware to get one setup. And never have to worry about Latency are crashes I know people that been recording with Pro Tools and other DAW type recording systems and have ditched that and went to these all in one hard disk multitrack recorders that's making masters much easier than with there computer setups and a WHOLE lot less of a hassle !!! OK back to making music now that I got that out haha !!!

 

[DM60]

With the costs of desktops so low, and computer monitors so large with a controller, what would be the reason not to just get that? I understand why you want to separate from your laptop. But that is what I have done, I have a PC (Win7) and its only purpose is for music. Keeps things clean.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

With the costs of desktops so low, and computer monitors so large with a controller, what would be the reason not to just get that? I understand why you want to separate from your laptop. But that is what I have done, I have a PC (Win7) and its only purpose is for music. Keeps things clean.

I think you need to re-read my post

 

[Lt. Bob]

I know people that been recording with Pro Tools and other DAW type recording systems and have ditched that and went to these all in one hard disk multitrack recorders that's making masters much easier than with there computer setups and a WHOLE lot less of a hassle !!! OK back to making music now that I got that out haha !!!

not anyone professional you don't.

If I were to go that route though, I'd definitely go for a used NEO ...... I've read that they cut a lot of features outta the DP24.

And, BTW, I also don't record to a 'puter. I just prefer having hardware FXs plus I already have a bunch and I also like faders and a buncha knobs I can just reach up a grab when the need to tweak occurs.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

not anyone professional you don't.

If I were to go that route though, I'd definitely go for a used NEO ...... I've read that they cut a lot of features outta the DP24

Yes Lt. Bob .....Professionals

 

[TASCAM MAN]

Everyone just don't stand up for what they really like and works for them. They want to keep up with the Jone's so to speak,therefore they go with the newest technology rather they like it or not. They feel intimidated by the "new agers" that think technology in itself is the answer to all problems(which it aint) and there was nothing any more wrong with analog than there is with digital media, in fact digital (DAWS especially) is much more troublesome than analog or hybrid specially when you grow up with analog........

 

[Lt. Bob]

Yes Lt. Bob .....Professionals

Music it's how I've earned my living for 45 years and still is.
I'm as professional as it gets.

 

[DM60]

I think you need to re-read my post

Yea, I get all of that, but even if you use the hardware side and get all of recording done, it just seems a good DAW as "another tool" gives you so much more flexibility. I guess I didn't fully appreciate the emphasis on the "hardware" aspect. I withdraw my comments.

 

[Lt. Bob]

as I have said many many times ...... it's what you do with it that matters.

People often prefer one method over another ..... doesn't matter why.
I've heard great stuff outta every possible set-up ...... I've laso heard crap outta every possible set-up.
Unless you're a techno-geek it's not the gear that matters and if a particular method or set-up 'feels' best for your creative process, then that's the best way to go.

 

[DM60]

as I have said many many times ...... it's what you do with it that matters.

People often prefer one method over another ..... doesn't matter why.
I've heard great stuff outta every possible set-up ...... I've laso heard crap outta every possible set-up.
Unless you're a techno-geek it's not the gear that matters and if a particular method or set-up 'feels' best for your creative process, then that's the best way to go.

You are right. But it seems like most people in this field are "chasing a sound" and what ever technology "works" to get there has been the most important. I was coming from the POV.

 

[Mickster]

No single method is wrong.......until you can't get what you need out of it anymore. Then it's wrong......but only for you.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

No single method is wrong.......until you can't get what you need out of it anymore. Then it's wrong......but only for you.

Exactly, so why does it seem that the younger generation cant understand where we are "coming from" whenever we express our feelings of not being comfortable sitting in front of a computer for recording music? We have grown up with gear and big studios even some of the home studios were big and I happen to like BIG.

 

[Lt. Bob]

Exactly, so why does it seem that the younger generation cant understand where we are "coming from" whenever we express our feelings of not being comfortable sitting in front of a computer for recording music? We have grown up with gear and big studios even some of the home studios were big and I happen to like BIG.

I'm not sure it's universal amongst the young.
Sure ..... you do get that a lot but I also have quite a few young musicians really curious the big ol' gear and express a desire to have some of it.

 

[DM60]

Exactly, so why does it seem that the younger generation cant understand where we are "coming from" whenever we express our feelings of not being comfortable sitting in front of a computer for recording music? We have grown up with gear and big studios even some of the home studios were big and I happen to like BIG.

For me, I am not young (very much in my 50's), but I have been into technology forever (starting with stereo equipment in the 70's, computer and Midi in the 80's), so I don't consider myself younger generation. But, one constant for me is, never be afraid of technology and change to achieve a purpose or just to continue to grow my world.

Change is a constant for every generation, that is the one thing we have in common. Doesn't make you wrong and that wasn't my intent, but based on what you wrote in the opening line, you just seemed like someone who was very much used to change. I just wasn't thinking when I replied. Sound people have always been on the cutting edge of technology since recording began. (I mean the study of sound is very complex).

So, I didn't mean any disrespect.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

For me, I am not young (very much in my 50's), but I have been into technology forever (starting with stereo equipment in the 70's, computer and Midi in the 80's), so I don't consider myself younger generation. But, one constant for me is, never be afraid of technology and change to achieve a purpose or just to continue to grow my world.

Change is a constant for every generation, that is the one thing we have in common. Doesn't make you wrong and that wasn't my intent, but based on what you wrote in the opening line, you just seemed like someone who was very much used to change. I just wasn't thinking when I replied. Sound people have always been on the cutting edge of technology since recording began. (I mean the study of sound is very complex).

So, I didn't mean any disrespect.

Cool well I respect that and I also and "well in my 50s"....but just using a hard disk all "all in one" unit is new technology to me and at the same time lets me feel a little at home so to speak and may I add with just as good as results as total DAW systems which Im not scared of but just don't like.Also people like Steely Dan was always on the "cutting edge" with technology and one of the first bands to experiment with digital multitrack(Mitsubichi 32 TK 1" I think) and they have come full circle back to 2" analog a while back for the nice crispiness and warmth of analog.But they are exceptional musicians/composers and still probably edit and arrange as they go instead of splicing/dicing digitally for everything. So back to my point is that, new technology for me is just to record on a multitrack hard disk recorder !!! And guess what....I like it a lot but still am learning to do things differently than in the past. But that doesn't mean that I'll never use analog gear again are throw away the knowledge of what I learned.I just wish people would not look down on us that doesn't like using computers for making music and YES they do look down on us with "portastudios" as if we don't know nothing and that we are just afraid of computers and technology.....BULLSHIT!!!

 

[Lt. Bob]

and YES they do look down on us with "portastudios" as if we don't know nothing and that we are just afraid of computers and technology.....BULLSHIT!!!

I don't think I agree with that. I think you might be being a little defensive.
Sure ...... they will tell you that there's a lot more possibilities with 'puter recording (and there is) but that's not the same thing as looking down on us.
I've been a member here for 14 years now and it's well known that I don't record to a 'puter ...... but I can't recall a single time I felt anyone was 'looking down on me' for it.
RAMI has only recently moved away from his NEO and I don't recall anyone ever telling him ANYthing other than his recordings sounded great.

I do have people suggest that I move to 'putters from time to time because they think I would like the things you can do with one.
But, as I said, that's NOT the same thing as criticizing or looking down on me.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

I don't think I agree with that. I think you might be being a little defensive.
Sure ...... they will tell you that there's a lot more possibilities with 'puter recording (and there is) but that's not the same thing as looking down on us.
I've been a member here for 14 years now and it's well known that I don't record to a 'puter ...... but I can't recall a single time I felt anyone was 'looking down on me' for it.
RAMI has only recently moved away from his NEO and I don't recall anyone ever telling him ANYthing other than his recordings sounded great.

I do have people suggest that I move to 'putters from time to time because they think I would like the things you can do with one.
But, as I said, that's NOT the same thing as criticizing or looking down on me.

How can you not agree with that?? Alls I see here on this forum is most people downing any other method of recording except with DAWS....how could you not see that if you been here for 14 years??? What is your recording setup if I may ask Bob?

 

[DM60]

How can you not agree with that?? Alls I see here on this forum is most people downing any other method of recording except with DAWS....how could you not see that if you been here for 14 years??? What is your recording setup if I may ask Bob?

To me, the art or "know how" is how to marry digital with hardware. I will make my point. I was using a synth bass on my recording. I lacked feel (best way to describe it), I want to use reverb, all of the VSTs sound terrible. I am looking a a Moog little phatty to plug in (hardware) So, I am trying to figure out how to use it all to get what I am looking for (it is a journey, not a destination ) Anyway, for me, and now I show my age, I ask these question not to "look down" but to gain knowledge as I think the new school is trying to get old school feel.

A guy with your knowledge and experience has a lot of answers as you have been playing with technology and sound all of your life. Plus (wait for it) as some point it has to turn back into analog Hence, you are way out in front.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

To me, the art or "know how" is how to marry digital with hardware. I will make my point. I was using a synth bass on my recording. I lacked feel (best way to describe it), I want to use reverb, all of the VSTs sound terrible. I am looking a a Moog little phatty to plug in (hardware) So, I am trying to figure out how to use it all to get what I am looking for (it is a journey, not a destination ) Anyway, for me, and now I show my age, I ask these question not to "look down" but to gain knowledge as I think the new school is trying to get old school feel.

A guy with your knowledge and experience has a lot of answers as you have been playing with technology and sound all of your life. Plus (wait for it) as some point it has to turn back into analog Hence, you are way out in front.

Thank you David that is true, "the marriage of" the 2 part !! So...why not just find you a bass player friend to do a good bass part for you? So how were you recording your bass parts in the first place? Loops are something? and what is VSTs, reverb plugins? And yeah anything Moog shpild be fat if you are looking for synth bass I have lots of Moog samples on plenty of my keyboards they are so FAT !!!

 

[Lt. Bob]

How can you not agree with that?? Alls I see here on this forum is most people downing any other method of recording except with DAWS....how could you not see that if you been here for 14 years??? What is your recording setup if I may ask Bob?

a better question is why do you seem to see it everywhere? You can say it all you like but it's just not true that people are telling you that your unit sucks and you can't get good results out of it.
Once again, whether you understand it or not, for someone to tell you that in their opinion a DAW is the better way to go is NOT the same thing as putting down on you using what you prefer.

I use a Fostex D1624 standalone with either a Mackie or a Soundcraft board depending on my mood and a buncha rack mount effects ...... nothing very expensive.