500 Series +/- or different?

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So maybe this is a dumb question, but I haven't seen anything on it yet.

What is the difference in 500 series racks/rack units other than just the size? Do they work differetnly or better? Or is it only a size/convenience thing?
 
No different other than size and the marketing ploy to make you purchase the rack to put them in and power them up!
In fact there are some things that you can't get other than the 5oo series that I wish you could get in normal rack size ..... like the little lab VOG.







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interesting. I've just always seen "NOW AVAILABLE IN 500 SERIES!!!" and thought "hmmm, what's that all about."

Thanks.
 
The 500 stuff has a specified power supply - that *can* make it so that a rack version of something is different - i.e., if the power supply on the rack version supplied significantly more voltage than the 500 power supply, then the designer may need to compensate for that somehow in the 500 version, and that *could* affect sound or headroom.

But, hey, I don't even have a lunchbox, and I really don't know what I'm talking about so take that for what it's worth.
 
The 500 stuff has a specified power supply - that *can* make it so that a rack version of something is different - i.e., if the power supply on the rack version supplied significantly more voltage than the 500 power supply, then the designer may need to compensate for that somehow in the 500 version, and that *could* affect sound or headroom.

But, hey, I don't even have a lunchbox, and I really don't know what I'm talking about so take that for what it's worth.

That's exactly what I was looking for! Thank you. Now for an unrelated question, but I don't figure it needs it's own thread:

is there really going to be a 2x the quality between a $50 patchbay and $100 patchbay? Sorry for the dumb question.
 
I'd say 10X the quality between $50 and $100...

As a rule of thumb, the lower the price range the the greater the quality difference...

As an example... the difference between a $100 and $500 preamp is fairly obvious, the difference between a $500 and $1000 preamp is not as apparent, and in fact, some may prefer the cheaper one..
 
I guess it just seems to me that a patchbay isn't such a crucial piece but maybe that's because I don't have one yet. Thanks.
 
Lunchboxes are popular among the set that think you need a dozen flavors of everything. If you are happy with a couple of nice pieces, it will be cheaper to buy regular rackmount boxes. This is because there are inefficiencies in the lunchbox design: the lunchbox itself is a more complicated and expensive bit of hardware than would be required for a dedicated 8-channel rack box, then you have to pay for 8 different front panels, which are significantly more expensive in total than a single large panel, the power supply has to be sized for full spec even if the modules you select won't need that much power, etc.

Also I think that due to the limitations of the format, most of the modules I've seen are not as good ergonomically as normal rack gear: switches are smallish and crammed together, for example.

Then sometimes you see a design that just shouldn't have been done in a 500. I saw somebody had done a tube amp; the obvious limitation being the lack of a high-voltage rail, so a switching circuit must be added to generate that rail. That can inject noise into audio, which a designer can compensate for if they know about it. This particular unit has a full internal metal case, possibly because of the need to shield surrounding modules from EMI those wouldn't expect (if the circuit uses an inductor, which I don't know for sure but I might guess). All of that adds cost that doesn't exist in a dedicated rack tube amp.

So it costs $1,000; to me that falls under the category of brilliant technical accomplishment that isn't very practical, especially compared with a regular ol' 1u two channel tube amp--$2,000 is a lot of spendin' money.

So shop carefully . . . if you need a one or two channels of a bunch of different stuff, maybe it makes sense. I fit eight channels of more of less the same thing into 1u, that keeps me happy.
 
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