414 MkII Peak Levels With DBX

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The 414 manual says to set the Trim level until the meter peaks at no more than +6. Well, the meter only goes to +6 so how can it go any more? The conventional wisdom here says to record a signal as hot as possible without distortion.

I'm using the DBX noise reduction. My question is: What level should the meter read when recording? +3 all the time and occasionally going into +6? Thanks for your help.
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Yo Chardin: [you don't make wine do you? Naw, that's Chardonney.]

If you use the trim dial, don't over boost your signal with it alone, also push up the fader to the "marked" good spot. [if your recorder is set up like most Tascam tape recorders are set up.]

The "trim" warms up the signal and the fader mellows it out, or is it the other way around? Anyway, try to stay near or touch the "red" when recording. But, mixing down to cassette, you can push the mixdown a bit into the red for a 'close' to CD sound; of course you can't get CD sound with regular tape.

I've been putting some stuff on the hard drive of my Yam 2816 and, man, that box has some headroom. Rich warm sound. But, you have to pay for that warm sound. Not much more but a little more.

As I get into the 2816 I'm liking it more and more.

The 2816 also has trim input or "mic" trim but I don't need too much of it.

Keep twiddling the dials Chardin.


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Analog seems to be a little more forgiving than digital, i record everything as hot as possible and go in the red abit on my 424, i havent had any distortion.(luckly)
 
+3 consistently, and occasionally flashing +6 is about right,...

or maybe a little hot,... depending on the tape.

Keeping 0VU lit solidly, with heavy activity of the +3, but short of +6 might be best. Like I said, it depends a lot on the tape.

Newer tape formulations can handle slightly hotter signals. F/I, a TDK SA/90 may saturate at +3, while a TDK CD-Power/90 probably saturates at +6.

Anyway, you're right, rule of thumb is: print to tape as hot as you can get away with, short of distortion.

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Re: Trim & Faders, when setting input levels,...

-the faders should be about in the 7-8 range, just to start, 'cause that's their sweet spot, and it provides a lot of range of adjustment, mostly down.

-the TRIM pot controls the basic level to the very first stage of the channel, the input/preamp section. It's important to use TRIM to control levels, and minimize distortion right at the input stage, the very first stage of the mixer's signal chain, before any other stage.

-That is, if you're getting distortion of the signal, in the phones, BEFORE printing to tape, then adjust down the TRIM, and/or lower the output signal of the instrument, or signal source.

-If your basic input signal sounds clean, in the phones, but your recorded/playback signal sounds distorted, then you minimize distortion on tape by lowering the record levels with the FADERS, ['cause your TRIM is likely set ok, if you don't hear distortion on the input side].

-The 'warming up' of the signal with TRIM, as G/H said, is achievable, but it's done by overdriving the input section a little, and therefore, inducing a subtle overdriven distortion into your signal. This technique may be used in modest amounts, but taken to extremes, it's bad for the mixer's inputs. F/I, you may 'warm up' any sound by overdriving the Portastudio's inputs slightly, but if you're looking for that 'grungy' guitar sound, you don't want to try to develop this kind of distortion on the inputs of the mixer. You're better off by developing that 'grungy' distortion in a stomp box, pedal, or other external preamp, and then drive the Portastudio's inputs with a nominal, safe signal level.

-Not that you'd do it, and it's a little off topic, but I've read posts about how someone who tried to develop too "fat" of a sound, right in the Portastudio's mixer channel, that they blew out their inputs. -Hey, you & I might not do that, but someone's done that, at least once.

-It's a matter of splitting the difference, and differentiating between whether the distortion is developed by overdriving the input section, or by overdriving the tape, which would be two different things, with two different approaches, basically boiling down to one thing,... If there's distortion, find where it is in the signal chain and minimize it,... turn it down.
 
Reel,

Thanks for your very informative reply. Your explaination of the trim and fader controls was helpful. I have heard some distortion on the bass track during playback but not in the headphones.

I forgot to mention that I'm using Maxell XLII C-60 cassettes. I believe that Tascam recommends Maxell in the manual. Can anyone recommend something better?
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