3630 Schematic - Field Operation

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I am a video producer. I have a reasonable amount of audio knowledge. (Never enough though. :) )

I want to use my Alesis 3630's in the field; meaning I want them to be battery operated. Does anyone know where I can find a schematic so I can do the necessary mods?

I have over 20 years in electronics so that part of it is not an issue. I just can't find a schematic. It was in my searching for one that I discovered this forum.

Help?

Larry
 
Yo Larry:

Being a curious person, I punched up Alesis.com and they have a ad page with the specs for the 3630 compressor. Actually, I did a search for the 3630 and found the Alesis website--if there isn't enough information, you can check with their techies on the site.

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Green Hornet :D :cool: :rolleyes: :D
 
Thanks for the reply GH.

I emailed their techs and told them what I want to do and if they could please send me a schematic of at least the power supply section. I'm guessing it is proprietary and can't .... but, maybe. We'll see.

When I get this accomplished, I'll post what I did in case anyone want s to power their 3630 from DC. The supplied wall wart supplies 9VAC. If they can't send me what I need, I'll take the thing apart and draw up my own schematic. Thats just hard sometimes though.

Larry
 
I received a reply from Alesis today. They said no problem sending me the schematic and to just send them my snail mail address.

:D

Larry
 
Video guys using things like 3630 compressors in the field does explain the general lack of audio quality in many video productions! ;) :p
 
I don't know if you do video or not, but there is a multitude of reasons as to why a lot of video audio is junk. Using a 3630 is not one of them. I actually put more emphasis on the audio than I do the video, though I try not to let anything slip there either of course.

I actually get pretty good sound out of a 3630, but I use it without much compression. I'd rather have a better unit(s), but cash is reeeeal hard to come by at this time.

Besides, I'll assume you are mostly just razzin' a video guy. :p

:)

Larry
 
LarryPD said:
Besides, I'll assume you are mostly just razzin' a video guy. :p

I think that is a good assumption. The 3630 has been the butt of jokes here for literally years.
 
LarryPD said:
Besides, I'll assume you are mostly just razzin' a video guy. :p

:)

Larry
Yeah - pretty much... just a mild hazing. ;) :D

Welcome to the forums! :)
 
Thanks for the welcome. :)

So can someone tell me what it is that I should be hearing through a 3630 that makes them so bad? I know that it is generally true that you get what you pay for and the 3630 is about the cheapest compressor on the market, but isn't that largely due to the fact that they are so popular?

Theoretically, no one can know how "bad" they are unless they've gotten one and tried it out. Obviously, many folks have tried them out since opinions run rampant and have replaced them with something of quality. If that is the case, then I am going to start up a way to give all those dust collectors out there a home; in my studio! :p

I don't remember where, recently (perhaps here?) that someone had a way to swap out an IC or two and make them better quality for only a few bucks and a bit of time.

Larry
 
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Lame Thrower said:
I think that is a good assumption. The 3630 has been the butt of jokes here for literally years.


uh oh...i have been lookin into getting a 3630...any other suggestions in the same price range...$100 to $200?

sorry...not trying to jack your thread larry...
 
LarryPD said:
Thanks for the welcome. :)

So can someone tell me what it is that I should be hearing through a 3630 that makes them so bad?
I had one years ago - my issues with it are threefold -
1) the unit inappropriately colors the sound, even when bypassed (so not a true bypass...)

2) the unit is prone to clipping, especially at the +4dBu gain structure (it's less apparent at the -10dBV level)

3) the gate produces significant artifacts around the switch-points - various pops/clicks.

IMO - for the money, most often one can get a much better product from a different company.
 
thajeremy said:
uh oh...i have been lookin into getting a 3630...any other suggestions in the same price range...$100 to $200?

sorry...not trying to jack your thread larry...
Everybody here raves about the RNC (Really Nice Compressor).
 
Thanks for the feedback Bruce.

I looked at the schematic of the 3630 to see what exactly the bypass switch does. The heart, so to speak, of a compressor unit is the VCA (Voltage Controlled Amplfier). Alesis shunts the input of the VCA to ground which should not discolor the sound, but there is, of course, more to the unit than just the VCA. I'll have to study it a bit more to see what else is happening in there.

The VCA IC used is a 2150. I was surprised to find that the IC was designed by dbx.

THAT 2150 Series integrated-circuit voltage-controlled amplifiers (VCAs) are the original VCA ICs developed at dbx, Inc. in the 1980s. They are high-performance current-in/current-out devices with two opposing-polarity, voltage-sensitive control ports.

They offer wide-range exponential control of gain and attenuation with moderately low signal distortion. The parts are selected after packaging based primarily on after-trim THD and control-voltage feedthrough performance. In-circuit adjustment is required to achieve the guaranteed distortion and feedthrough performance. (It could be worth looking into just how this "In circuit adjustment" is accomplished. Perhaps something can be done there to change the performance .... for the better that is. :) )

The 2150 Series is fabricated in a super low-noise, junction-isolated process utilizing high hFE, complementary NPN/PNP pairs. They are available in three grades, selected for distortion, allowing the user to optimize cost vs. performance. (Ah-HA! "... cost vs. performance. Perhaps Alesis goes for cost at the expense of performance in selecting the grade of IC that they use? Perhaps, since the various grades would be pin for pin compatible, it would make a large improvement to swap out the existing VCA's with the highest grade device.)

Note that the 2180 and 2181 Series VCA ICs offer superior performance at similar prices to the 2150 Series. Furthermore, the 2180 and 2181 Series ICs are pin-compatible with the 2150 Series. Therefore, we do not recommend using the 2150 Series in new designs. Nonetheless, these parts will continue to be available for the foreseeable future, based on customer demand. (Forget the above "grade swap" comment. I'll just try the new 2180/2181's.)


It looks like the 3630 has a sound (good practice) design, but perhaps they use lower cost components in the circuit. Changing them for higher would make it a good unit, given the sound design, at still a great savings to other units.

We'll see . . . .

As far as the gates are concerned? I don't even use them. I get really bad results with them but most of that at least is likely me. Like if I try using them for vocals? Half of what I want to record would be missing. Adjusting them down a bit would just make them stay on. ???

Larry
 
Behringer Composers can be a good cheap unit.

They did have a phase a bout 5 years back where they caused a bass freq loss due to incorrect parts being used by the Chinese factory.
Apart from those models they work fine,

I've found the 3630 good when you WANT a compressed sound to sound compressed but harder to set if you want transparent operation.
 
Field Use

You could always go over the unit PCB with a meter and try to identify the power rails.
 
"You could always go over the unit PCB with a meter and try to identify the power rails."

The schematic shows that Alesis is using a 7815 (+15 Volt regulator) and a 7915 (-15 Volt regulator). I'll try a +/- 12 Volt battery first. I could use 8 'D' cells for each rail then. If I have to use 15 volts, then I'll have to use 10 cells each. I'll measure the current draw first though because maybe I'll be able to get away with a cheaper a battery; like a 'C'. Maybe just a couple 12V "latern batteries" will do it. I think that would be cheaper than all those individual cells; easier too.

I intend to just lift the output leg of the two regulators, add a switch on the back and make it so I can just plug in my battery pack or switch to the AC adapter that comes with the unit.

Larry
 
The bypass mode still uses the vca as an audio amp and at nominal levels it would be hard to screw up the bandwidth esp at audio freqs even with the old 741.. The design parameters with audio ic's are in the less than 1% range. In other words they do what you design them to ...From -20 to 120 degrees and vibrate them all you want. The only thing that destroys them is thermal runaway..

However I have used a dbx 266xl for awhile now and the limiting and compressor effects blows circles around a 3630... It seems like with the 3630 I was always screwing with it whereas the 266xl is more consistent...
 
"... even with the old 741.. "

:) Isn't the 741 from the Jurassic era?

I'd like to say thanks to everyone contributing to this thread for all the helpful input. Cool discussion board .....

Larry
 
Purge said:
Everybody here raves about the RNC (Really Nice Compressor).

I second that and for 175.00 it rocks!! I have a 3630 and do not mind it for some stuff but the RNC blows it away.
 
Larry, I still have two 3630's, and I can tell you that everything you have read here is true. They are truly pieces of shit.

Get an RNC. You won't regret it.
 
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