2 seperate channels same as mono

[WEBCYAN]

ok...

I have read many places that guitars shouldnt be put right downt he center of a mix to avoid clashing with the vox.

Many have said to pan one git track all the way to the left, then track a 2nd git track or copy the first one and pan that one far right.

Well....Isnt that the EXACT same thing as one git track straight down the middle seeing as a mono track consists of equal distribution on both channels?

Is there a difference?
There has to be one...otherwise noone would do it.

 

[JFogarty]

I think that you're supposed to use different tones, or maybe just put em around 10 ms off eachother maybe

 

[PFDarkside]

Just double track your guitars, one panned hard left, one hard right. If you've never done it before, it really opens up the recording. If you can combine that with stereo drums, then you 'll be amazed at how big your mix sounds.

 

[pratt]

a little double-track 'cheating' trick that I use sometimes -

make a copy of single guitar track - paste into another (empty) track; pan tracks 3 and 9 o'clock (L and R, respectivelly) - keep one of the tracks 'clean'; add some processing to the other (depending on the sound you want - maybe some extra overdrive/distortion...I've used some flange, different EQ, etc.)

this 'method' really fattens up the mix and spreads it out....

of course this is assuming that you're working in the digital realm with the ability to cut&paste...ahh the wonders of digital

 

[dobro]

webcyan - yeah, pan the two tracks, but the two tracks have got to be different in some way, or the net result will be a mono sound right up the middle. That's why this advice is confusing to lots of people:

"Just double track your guitars, one panned hard left, one hard right."

Some people read this and think that 'doubling' means copying or cloning an existing track, but it won't work. If you copy/clone a track and pan it, you've got to tweak it somehow to make it sound different from the original - EQ, FX, something.

Also, you don't have to pan the two tracks hard left and right. Less than that will do.

There are three ways to do it:

1 Copy/clone an existing track and tweak it to sound different.

2 Play the same guitar part twice, to two different tracks (you have to be a good player to get away with this - if the parts aren't really close, it just sounds sloppy).

3 Mic the guitar with two mics, each mic going to a different track - different mic positions mean different sound.

 

[WEBCYAN]

and will that still leave "room" for vocals?

Ill try it tho...

would delaying the 2nd git track by a few miliseconds do the trick?

 

[John Sayers]

The delay has to be greater than 18msec to create the illusion of two guitars and that delay is sometimes annoying whereas pitch change a few cents can create the effect without the delay
Double tracking and the pitch and delay effect is also cool You put the pitch up on one guitar and down on the other and use different delays on each guitar.

cheers
John

 

[TexRoadkill]

The best part of true doubling is that you can vary the playing a bit to get cool stereo effects. Sounds especially good with acoustic.

If you hard pan both tracks the middle will still be wide open for vocals and bass and the guitars seem to come from the sides. I prefer to mix a little of both tracks into the middle so its no too artificial sounding.