100$- Binaural Microphone

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I have seen some pretty interesting binaural microphones on soundprofessionals, but they all look the same to me and I have no idea which one to go for. Can anyone recommend me a cheap one? Better if it's under 100$. 120$ max.
And one more thing, those microphones need their own custom power source?
If so, the budged should include that.
I would love to hear some opinions about people who has made binaural recordings, hopefully Mshilarious :)
 
I can't comment directly as my products compete with SP. You might find more information at taperssection.com.

However, the products you linked are designed to work primarily with portable recorders, which supply "plug-in power" on a TRS 3.5mm jack, rather than phantom power. The plug-in power "standard" (there is no standard, really) is unbalanced stereo (left tip, right ring) with anywhere from 1.5V to 4V and anything up to about 1mA current. So it is rather different than the phantom power standard. Also typically available from plug-in mic vendors are battery boxes, which increase the supply voltage to 9V and current to between 1mA to 2mA. Whether or not that is an improvement over the recorder's supplied plug-in power depends on the recorder and microphone in question.

If you are using such mics with a device that does not supply plug-in power, you will either need the battery box, or a device that converts phantom to plug-in.

By the way, I don't make binaural recordings myself.
 
Thanks a lot!
That seems like it was going to be a problem. So about the MSH-1X, do you match them too? and that really fits into an ear?
One more thing, when will the new X series will be available? early/late 2008? To see if I wait for them or just get the MSH.
 
I have binaural microphones from www.microphonemadness.com. I have the cheapest ones on there as well as the cheapest battery module. They work very well and I'd definitely recommend them. They fit right into the ear and stay there without a problem.
 
We have several samples on our website. There are definately good choices under $120, but I don't want to advertize on this board. For more information, please email me directly.

Thanks!

Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
800-213-3021
 
haha, that made me laugh

"we have the top of the range binaural microphones for low low prices, just call 555-034 to make professional recordings on amateur budgets.

I dont advertise on this board ;) "
 
Without counting that is his first and only post :)
Still I might mail him for advice when I have the money.

Damm, power boxes are more expensive than the mikes themselves. And shipping will probably cost more than both together.
 
There's other sources for similar products.

http://giant-squid-audio-lab.com/

But they do require a bias voltage(+5V +/- 4V). Supplied by most onboard computer mic ports(pink/red). Which also includes a fair amount of background hiss. You can get around that by using the battery box and line in port. But to me the recordings are still a bit colored. Although good in their own specialized way. Lectures + Podcasting, sure. Bootlegging concerts, not so much. They can get a good capture, just don't expect a completely transparent sound.
 
There's other sources for similar products.

http://giant-squid-audio-lab.com/

But they do require a bias voltage(+5V +/- 4V). Supplied by most onboard computer mic ports(pink/red).

PC mic input typically (but not always) uses a different configuration: power on ring, signal on tip. With a stereo plug-in mic, that will get you no signal. Anyway, the PC mic input is mono, so you would need the battery box to the line input if you wanted stereo.

There are many vendors for these products; in addition to the ones already listed, I can think of four others off the top of my head. So it might be worthwhile to pay a visit to the board I mentioned for unbiased opinions . . . and no, I don't make an in-ear product. I don't think I can hold my head still that long :o
 
mshilarious, I remember asking you to make binaural microphones before I ended up buying the ones from Microphone Madness. Is that what gave you the idea?

Vagodeoz - Yes, I think the battery module is extremely overpriced. Which sucks. I looked inside and it looks like a very simple circuit that takes 2 small watch batteries which are easy to find at Wal-Mart. They're RS16 or something. I don't know about the "RS" part but I know they're 16's and not 32's.

Also, on their "Cables" section, you can get a 1/8" to dual XLR cable for about $20. This will let you hook them up into whatever preamp you may have. I think that will remove the need for a battery module but you may want to ask someone who knows more like mshilarious. I've e-mailed them about this and they said it will work. But they are intended for portable recorders with "plug-in" power.

They really are great microphones. I've also taped them to my desk to use them as stereo mics for my acoustic and they seem to have a very flat response.

In-ear microphones like those are what will give the true binaural result. I plan on getting one of those M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96 recorders so I can do field recordings.

I wish I had known about mshilarious' mics before though. :(
 
Not all PC mics ports are Mono. And not all provide the "plug-in" power / bias voltage. My laptop is Mono with voltage(ATI IXP). My desktop is stereo with voltage (nVidia MCP61 / hda-intel). My Delta 44(PCI) and Mobile Pre(USB) provide no plug-in power, and need a battery box to record anything with said mics.
 
mshilarious, I remember asking you to make binaural microphones before I ended up buying the ones from Microphone Madness. Is that what gave you the idea?

What idea? I don't make an in-ear mic :confused:

Vagodeoz - Yes, I think the battery module is extremely overpriced. Which sucks. I looked inside and it looks like a very simple circuit that takes 2 small watch batteries which are easy to find at Wal-Mart. They're RS16 or something. I don't know about the "RS" part but I know they're 16's and not 32's.

Battery boxes take a bit of fabrication. First, the case costs more than the batteries. Then you have to drill it, add the circuit (the simplest would be a couple of resistors, but they can be more sophisticated), add the connectors. It doesn't take a ton of time, but when you're done, you're gonna charge $50 for the thing if you want to feed your family. This stuff is often low volume, custom made electronics--even if it is very simple, you are paying for first world hand labor because the demand is low.

If you can bang together your own battery box, go for it, it isn't that hard. But many people are totally allergic to any kind of DIY.

Also, on their "Cables" section, you can get a 1/8" to dual XLR cable for about $20. This will let you hook them up into whatever preamp you may have. I think that will remove the need for a battery module but you may want to ask someone who knows more like mshilarious. I've e-mailed them about this and they said it will work. But they are intended for portable recorders with "plug-in" power.

I would directly ask them if that cable converts phantom power to plug-in power, because the MM product doesn't say that it does. It could be just a simple adaptor cable, which you wouldn't want to use with phantom (potentially fried mics will result). There are phantom adaptor cables and boxes available, I didn't see one on the MM site, but I didn't look too hard. I don't think you could get that for $20 though, it requires a circuit.

Not all PC mics ports are Mono. And not all provide the "plug-in" power / bias voltage. My laptop is Mono with voltage(ATI IXP). My desktop is stereo with voltage (nVidia MCP61 / hda-intel). My Delta 44(PCI) and Mobile Pre(USB) provide no plug-in power, and need a battery box to record anything with said mics.

I didn't say all of them were, I said most. You said that plug-in mics were intended for most PC mic ports. That's not true. Most PC mic ports are Soundblaster-compatible, which is not directly compatible with stereo plug-in mics. Perhaps that is changing, but the installed base is mono powered. And while we're on the topic, Macs have used different standards that aren't compatible with anything non-proprietary. Maybe that is changing too, I don't know.

The primary use of plug-in mics is with portable recorders. I am trying to help people avoid buying something that will not work with the equipment they have. Unfortunately, the consumer end of the business has no standards, so caveat emptor, and read your manuals (if your PC has one).

The Delta 44 and Mobile Pre are interfaces . . . I don't know what your point is there. Those aren't PC mic ports.
 
haha, that made me laugh

"we have the top of the range binaural microphones for low low prices, just call 555-034 to make professional recordings on amateur budgets.

I dont advertise on this board ;) "

Sorry....what I was trying to say was that I did not feel it would be welcome to list specific solutions to the question asked. Rather that take up board space with a back and forth questions and answers, I just listed my contact info.

I am sorry if that was not appropriate.

Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals
 
Battery boxes take a bit of fabrication. First, the case costs more than the batteries. Then you have to drill it, add the circuit (the simplest would be a couple of resistors, but they can be more sophisticated), add the connectors. It doesn't take a ton of time, but when you're done, you're gonna charge $50 for the thing if you want to feed your family. This stuff is often low volume, custom made electronics--even if it is very simple, you are paying for first world hand labor because the demand is low.

If you can bang together your own battery box, go for it, it isn't that hard. But many people are totally allergic to any kind of DIY.

I understand the demand is low.

I emailed them and asked them specifically if I would be able to buy the mics and use my DMP3 preamp (gave them a link to it) and they said yes. I would personally be worried about using phantom power though.

Do you happen to know how much power is provided to the channel with phantom power off on the DMP3? Or a guesstimation?
 
That's a good thing then because phantom power will damage these mics. So if you get them and hook them into your preamp, make sure phantom power isn't turned on. I was unsure of this before but I e-mailed them again just to make sure and this is what they said:

Hi Danny,

Phantom power to the microphones directly will damage the microphones. Proper way is through the battery module with the 1/8" female to dual XLR with no phantom power engaged.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions please let us know.

Best regards,
Mike
www.microphonemadness.com
 
Jecklin Disc

Vagodeoz,

A Jecklin Disc isn't exactly binaural but it is essentially the same principal. Here's a link to some pics.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=223241&highlight=jecklin

Jecklin Discs use matched omnis. I used two of the msh-1 mics through a DMP2 and into my Fostex VF160. The mics and the Jecklin Disc are under $100.

Great for recording acoustic instruments in stereo. For louder instruments and field recording I trust dynamic omnis.

Thanks,

Hairy Larry
 
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