Chriss, Tex other Synthesis Mastas-->Eerie Airy Vocals

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Hey fellas,

I direct this mainly at Chriss as he has mentioned before that he'd lend me some synthesis tips when I first purchased my AStation (my first [digital] analog synth). I know there's plenty of synthesis kings round here too so...

How do you make those full chorus's (mostly female sounding) that sound really haunting and etheral?


The fact of the matter is that I can get some really nice fat sounding vocal plates using the Triton and a load of processing, but for one, I'm just now learning how to re-create/model "real" sounds with my synth, so it's a lesson, and besides I'd really like to further fatten that vocal line, yeah, yeah, anyways...thanks for any ideas.




Laj
 
For chorus type samples it really comes down to the sample. The Roland D50 was very popular for its etherial vocal sounds.

But how to get that with your setup? I would look around for samples of the D50 or Korg M1. If you have sampling capabilities you could sample some Enya or Clannad phrases. If you havent listened to them they have great new agey type walls of female vocals. There's a cool tune by Clannad that Bono sang on but I cant recall the title.

Other than that I would use a lot of detuning. Take the same or similliar patch and layer it many times with each one detuned slightly. Severe detuning can give you some really haunting sounds. A lot of chorus and reverb helps also.

Use Preverb by recording a wet vocal mix of the vocals played backwards and then reverse it again. The preverb will slowly build up and then the original sound will kick in. It's a very cool and mysterious sound.

You could also get a female singer to record some ooh's and ahh's for you to sample and mess with.

I was listening to some of your stuff the other day. Pretty cool. Nice mix and even sound. Great patches and moods. You should see if there are any student film makers around who need music (they always do) because they would eat your shit up. Check local colleges that have video and film classes and put up a couple flyers.
 
aight... making vocal sounds on a modular synth is really tough.. i mean, really, really though! ... you need what is called a formant filter (which is actually just several filters connected parallel to eachother) the a-station got no formant filter, so it's gonna get even tougher... i've made some male type vocals on my supernova with only a lowpass filter though, so it can be done, but not without a noise generator i suspect...
one of the things i did was assigning an lfo to adjust the softness of a noise generator and from there, i used square waves with different withs which were also modulated by lfos... the result was a male vocal through a deep, raw synth sound.. it was very blended and very cool cause it didn't sound like two different sounds... bad thing was i had to adjust the lfo speed by envelope 3 and the modulation controller so it would speed up at the higher tones... pretty sick stuff i tell you...

i can help you with allmost anything else, but i don't think the a-station can produce vocal sounds, but they are allways sampled anyway...
a good idea would, as trk said, to get hold of some vocal loops like everyone else... then you can freely layer and filter them (sounds amazing in a highpass configuration with alot of reverb) till you find what you need...
 
Cool boys,

Knew you two, especialy would be of great assistance. I figured it would be difficult to create those, ah well. Sampling some Enya stuff is a really really good idea though, but I've never heard of Clannad, so bonus maybe I'll hear some cool tunes, thanks. The whole Preverb idea should work well too. Oh, and I was wondering what kind of filters (solely dedicated) you use. I've looked at some by Electrix, but they seem pretty DJ oriented, and possibly a little cheesy. I've also seem some HP24 filters that are usually used with big patch-bay style ananlogs but that, as far as I understand it, can be used to filter anything you run through it, is this true?? The whole Preverb idea should work well too. Thanks for listening to those tunes Tex, I've been doing stuff that's a little bit more made for oh say 2:30 as opposed to 5:30, ya know, a little bit dancy but still chill and still a mite scary.


Anyways, the help is much appreciated dudes, thanks.



Laj
 
Did you say before you were using one of those Boss Kaos pads? How do you like that?
 
Yeah Tex, I use the Kaoss pad a whole lot (it's Korg actually). We also use a Kaoss pad tunrtable mixer that's pretty cool. The mixer isn't quite as good sound-wise as the dedicated pad, but it's really cool for messing up sampled vinyl, which is utilized alot in our setup. I dunno though on the whole, I think maybe some sort of dedicated multi-fx rack would put out cleaner, crisper, just plain better samples, though the Kaoss pad's useability is definitely it's draw, and that glowing orange pad looks pretty frickin cool too.



Laj
 
Can the Kaoss be used as a midi controller or does it just control it's own internal effects?
 
That's a really good question Tex, but to be perfectly honest with ya it's only been about three months now that I've actually understood MIDI, and have been working the setup out. So I can't say really how it performs as a controller, or if it even does, sorry dude. The dedicated pad (not the mixer) has MIDI capabilities so, theoretically.


Laj
 
TexRoadkill said:
I was listening to some of your stuff the other day.
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Laj35 - I checked out the MP3 clinic but couldn't find anything by you. Is some of your stuff posted on the site? I'd really like to check it out.
 
yea...

such a hp filter could filter any sound source... for vocals i use the 12 db/oct highpass filter on my vst sampler... that works pretty ok... a really nice effect is also to use a progressive centre delay on the vocals... that means a double delay which you turn mono (or at least almost mono.. you simply reduce the stereo picture) each channel must still have different sync, like 1/8 vs. 1/16 and then you smack on a ALOT of feedback... sounds amazing...
you could actually do that on your a-station via the audio input, but you'd be stuck with the lowpass filter unless you process the audio before you ship it through the a-stations effects...
 
btw... want me to set up a few guidelines for making sounds like in saschas "expander", cool ambient effects and shit? tell me what ya need..
 
Chriss man, your words are freakin gold fo my sorry ass man. I just started going to futureproducers.com and noticed you've obviously been there, what's the deal, tellin me bout chronic tronic and not that one, that place kicks it. I also got to check your tunes, finally, they're supreme! You definitely have a real nice "signature sound" going on and that, IMO, is a big piece of the puzzle. Within the next couple o weeks I should have a new track up, and maybe a snippet or two from some stuff me and my boys have put together live "jamminm," definitely more dancy, but not really full fledged, more like Kruder and Dorfmeister. Yeah, so whatever you can't dance to it, but it should (hopefully) get inside your head.


Anyways, props as usual for the tips on the vocal stuff man, I'll of course be practising. Man, ANY, and I repeat, ANY synthesis tips you got are sooooo needed and sooo appreciated. My synthesis skills right now are so fargin limited, it's pretty sad. For the most part I'm usually only doing alot of doubling up presets, adding some LFO, verb, delay, etc and tweakin the only four or five knobs I really know how to control. Fact of the matta is though, I'm totally becoming obsessed with synths, not good for the wallet, but it's fun as hell. Oh, and just to further expose my absolute ignorance, I haven't even run anything, nadda, into my A Station and used it's filter, etc., wtf's wrong with me? Is it as easy as running a couple o 1/4" into the back and turning up the external sound knob? Enlighten my dumb ass my oh Chriss of Chrisses.......




Laj
 
Oh, shizzy.....


BTW, what VST sampler you using? I'm thinkin about getting Sampletank cause I don't feel like buyin a damn scsi drive, blah, blah for the Triton, and 7 discs for a 30 sec sample ain't gonna cut it, 'sides why waste all that hardrive space? I'm usin Cubase, just in case that has any bearing on the issue.



Thanks as usual mayne,

Laj
 
Chriss

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn,



I can't believe I missed you again, you hang out for like five min once a week and I'm always just off in the shitter or somethin, always just missin ya, what the flyin chipmuck fuck???!???




Laj
 
hehehehe... true dat... i manage to get like 10-20 minutes tops once or twice a week... it's tough, when you're as used to using the internet as i am...

i believe the external sound shit works just like on the rest of the novation series.. set it up in the global menu for filter, effect or what ever and turn up the sound... easy as that...

the stuff i have on www.mp3.com/ChrissT is about 1½-2 years old, at least.. made even before i got my supernova, so my sound is much better now....

i use the halion sampler.. it has basically everything except freewheeling lfos... beware of futureproducers btw... alot of people who think they know what they're doing, alot of weirdoes and alot of ass kissers... i got kicked out cause of faul language and shit :D
 
damn... somehow i'm pissed that i haven't gotten myself a record deal yet, i think i showed potential already at that time, but damn me if i´m not constantly in the process of doing something new and different... arrrrgghhh... i'm one of those people who just can´t settle down with one thing... grrr... i still really like "higherstate" ...
 
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