Feeding on Overhead

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Does anyone know how to comepletly remove the drums from the OH's, so I only have the cymbals?

Regards Malthe!
 
Put the microphone -SDC- directly under the cymbal facing straight up.
 
Malthe said:
Hi !
Does anyone know how to comepletly remove the drums from the OH's, so I only have the cymbals?

Regards Malthe!
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That's what OH's are for...to capture the whole kit.
If you just need more cymbal (?) what you can do, is copy the OH tracks to another set of tracks and EQ out the bottom to get more sizzle.

Am I reading you right?
 
I will try to set the Mic's just under the cymals.

Dogbreath, you are reading me. I want some more sizzle... So I will try you're method as well!
 
Look in the drum forum I'm sure there is that in one of the stickys or just do a search there. ;)
 
Malthe said:
Hi !
Does anyone know how to comepletly remove the drums from the OH's, so I only have the cymbals?

Regards Malthe!
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I'm just gonna take a guess here, but I'm betting that's gonna sound terrible.
 
Malthe said:
Hi !
Does anyone know how to comepletly remove the drums from the OH's, so I only have the cymbals?

Regards Malthe!
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This is a completely misguided question. Put bluntly...this is wrong!

Why do you want to do this?

Cheers :)
 
Well I mean..... If you REALLY want to do it, you can just completely EQ out the lower frequencies. But they're really for capturing the whole kit.
 
maestro_dmc said:
Record them separately.

;)
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Now that answer can't be beat.
But to add in.. My 'default is a pair of kit mics (which happen to be low either side of the drummer so this will make more sense.. These (typically) stay full range and make for a tighter in on the body/skins/kit' sound than the cymbals.
A second pair go out front ahead of kit. Specifically a different picture, sometimes mix up in level with the primary or not, or rolled off to play 'top candy option.
..My room's also not high or big enough to get the traditional distance back.
I wish I had a nice big room..
But it works quite well if I do say. :p :)
 
Allright... Thank you for all you're answers!
I'm pretty new in this "recording" thing, so acutally I didn't knew that the OH is there to record the whole kit... i thought it was the cymbals, ONLY... But now I know that I'm wrong! Thank you guys! :)
 
Malthe said:
Allright... Thank you for all you're answers!
I'm pretty new in this "recording" thing, so acutally I didn't knew that the OH is there to record the whole kit... i thought it was the cymbals, ONLY... But now I know that I'm wrong! Thank you guys! :)
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The key is for the kit to sound good, which means good drums, new heads, proper tuning and balanced playing. Get the kit as a whole with the overheads and reinforce as needed with the close mics.

It's when you have a crappy kit played badly that you start to want to close mic the cymbals. It can be done...sort of, but the results are rarely as pleasing as doing it right.
 
It takes quite the drummer to record the cymbals separately then the drums. I've been fortunate enough to work with a couple of them. Its laborious and a lot harder than you'd think to get the natural flow and feel but the results are tremendous.

I've gone as far as to record the drums separately too. Snare first with the bass guitar over a previous recorded simple kik and snare beat instead of a klik track for the push and pull feel, then kik drum alone over that. Cymbals were next with toms and tom fills following.

As I said. The drummer was fantastic and heard it all in his head just as it was rehearsed and then was able to break the parts out of what had been written and retain a groove throughout.

It made a really clean and dynamic record but it took a long time to accomplish.
 
Okay... I think I'll just have to record it all together, and not in sperate parts, it sounds too difficult.
I have bought new heads for my drums, so thats not a problem anymore ;)
About tuneing I'm still alittle lost, but I have read alot of forums and looked up videoes on Youtube, so I think I can do it :)
 
cavedog101 said:
It takes quite the drummer to record the cymbals separately then the drums. I've been fortunate enough to work with a couple of them. Its laborious and a lot harder than you'd think to get the natural flow and feel but the results are tremendous.

I've gone as far as to record the drums separately too. Snare first with the bass guitar over a previous recorded simple kik and snare beat instead of a klik track for the push and pull feel, then kik drum alone over that. Cymbals were next with toms and tom fills following.

As I said. The drummer was fantastic and heard it all in his head just as it was rehearsed and then was able to break the parts out of what had been written and retain a groove throughout.

It made a really clean and dynamic record but it took a long time to accomplish.
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Why would you ever want to do that though? Just my opinion, but it seems like WAY too much work for individual drum isolation, and bleed isn't really a problem if everything is set up right.
 
saads said:
Why would you ever want to do that though? Just my opinion, but it seems like WAY too much work for individual drum isolation, and bleed isn't really a problem if everything is set up right.
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This ^^^^^^^

If It's amazing to me how much time and energy people will spend on fixing stuff and throwing tricks at a mix because they didn't spend even half that much time trying to do it right to begin with.
 
Greg_L said:
This ^^^^^^^

If It's amazing to me how much time and energy people will spend on fixing stuff and throwing tricks at a mix because they didn't spend even half that much time trying to do it right to begin with.
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I've been recording for a large number of years and I didnt say it was the only way to do things. When you have a client who wants something like this and has the outlay to afford the extra time involved thats what you do.

I have no problem with bleed or any other aspects of recording drums....I get VERY good drums right up front and without a lot of futzing around. I was just relating a technique that I have personally been involved with on more than one occasion and since another poster mentioned it I thought I'd share. I dont think my post made it sound like it was the do-all be-all or that it was so easy any shlubb with a home studio could do it.

And yeah, just like your opinion it was a lot of work. Good thing the drummer was good enough to pull it off.

Why do it? Because thats what I was paid to do.

BTW. I generally dont fix anything EVER. Its done right at the tracking. I know what you mean but dont include me in that bunch. I dont believe in it.
 
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