What if your vocals suck

[CFox]

Ok, you werent addressing me, but I am quite happy to PWN you ( again ) on this one

OK, while we're at it, let's "democratize" the NBA. Fuck Mike Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, etc. Let's just let everybody in the NBA, no matter how much talent they may or may not have, because that's what's "fair".

Slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. There is no current technology to supercede raw athletic talent. Of course there is performance enhancement and masking and this does take place ( for the privileged few of course ).

And while we're at it, let's democratize teaching; let's let any old idiot teach college physics or even high school math, whether they know how to add 2 and 2 together or not. (Never mind that in some school districts this isn't far from the truth now.) After all, it's only "fair" for everybody.

More irrational ranting unrelated to technology and trends in entertainment.

If there's one thing the Internet has shown us, people don't think they need to know a single thing about what they're talking about in order to try and tell others how it is.

Take yourself for example, the few days I have been here I have noticed you are quite informed on some topics - high end audio for example - and completely unable to differentiate on a lot of other matters.

And that drunken bastard over there? Hey there's a position open for police leiutenant, let's just give it to him because it only seems "fair".

He has to go through the recruitment and promotion process first and this is overseen by a governing body.

There are a couple of problems with the "simply let the public decide" argument. First is that the vast majority of the public does not WANT to decide, they just want their stuff handed to them without effort - especially when it comes to things like musical entertainment.

I dont think you understand human behaviour one little bit.

The Internet has not opened up any more quality niche musical acts than have been available for the past half-century. All it's done is affect the distribution of small label stuff which was always there. It's just that now one does not have to travel to their local quality record shop (which no longer exists) and look through the stax of wax for the good stuff. That has been replaced by Internet searches where one does not have to leave their desk to do it is all. Things haven't become better in quality, just easier for the lazy. Except now there's even more crap to sort through before finding find the good stuff.

Get this through your head. Consumption drives technology and technology drives living standards. People who once could never get to a record store can now safely and conveniently peruse databases, finding both the music they have been recommended and making accidental happy discoveries. They only have to load a few seconds of a tune do determine if it engages them. For the rest of us ? Well it frees up more time.

Second, now that Clear Channel has all but monopolized what we hear on the broadcast radio and Sirius/XM has strightjacketed tastes into narrow silos of preference on satellite, the general public has been given extremely limited choices as to what they get to easily choose from. It's not exactly "choice" as nature intended it. We're forced to look manually on the Internet for the good stuff.

Awww, you like your art spoon fed to you by "authorities" do you ? Also, like I said elsewhere, there was no "Cashola pay for play" back in the good ole days ? Lol.

There is an advantage to age. The younger ones just have no idea what radio used to be like, when DJs were allowed to be DJs, and the really good ones didn't just play the same 200 songs over and over again based upon a computer's decisison of what will sell the most commercials. And when what they played usually reflected a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan or New Orleans Saints behind the mic, and not just another nobody who simply knew how to use autotune and an editor to make it sound like they actually had talent.

One more time, no CASHOLA "back in the good ole days" ? How receptive were the top DJ's to avant garde sounds back then ?

Listening to manufactured talent is like trying to get entertainment out of a basketball game where everybody is wearing magic shoes that allow even Fat Albert to have a vertical jump of 6 feet and computerized gloves that lets a blind man make a 3-point basket every time.

Enough with the bad analogies already. Lol.

There are more people alive on this planet at this moment than have been alive, dead and buried by every other generation that ever existed COMBINED. That means that there's a greater pool of talent to chose from than ever before. Why settle for publishing those with no talent? It makes as little sense as the fact that with today's digital technology we have more dynamic range to play with than ever before, yet everybody wants to cram their music into the last 5 dB. Not all new ideas are necessarily better ideas.

G.

Who exactly are you complaining to ? Which authority ( you seem to love authority) ? The dying traditional music industry ? The industry who could sign and tie up acts ? Leaving albums sitting in the vaults never to be heard ?

 

[benherron.rrr]

Wow talk about phone books. you know whats worse than a phone book? a phone book to find numbers in the actual phone book.

 

[CFox]

Wow talk about phone books. you know whats worse than a phone book? a phone book to find numbers in the actual phone book.

Sorry buddy but you sound like a real half wit. Please dont try to engage me in dialogue if the truth is an issue for you. Incidently, my replies took up less text than Glens input.

 

[Bristol Posse]

Well this turned out to be another useful thread I see!

 

[CFox]

My advice is still the same as I posted earlier.

If the OP can re-record the performance, really pouring on the emotion, raising the levels, getting the vibe and delivery matching the song. Then pitch correcting it.

 

[kudiez]

look up 'TC Helicon' (ITS A HARDWARE) could be something you might need for now atleast..maybe even in the future xD

 

[kcearl]

lol


well this is turning into a

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Ok, you werent addressing me, but I am quite happy to PWN you ( again ) on this one

First of all, son, PWN is NOT a word. It's a bunch of shit slang used by pre-teen videogamers. If you EVER want to be taken seriously, you'll stop using giveawyas like "PWN" in your arguments.

Slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. There is no current technology to supercede raw athletic talent. Of course there is performance enhancement and masking and this does take place ( for the privileged few of course ).

No "slippery slope" argument was given, slopehead. It was an analogy, and an apt one, to indicate that *talent* matters in music to the vast majority. You may just want something free to listen to and not give a shit whether it comes from a computer or not, but there's a whole lot of folks with more than two brain cells to rub together who understand that, just like watching sports, listening to music is an exericise in talent appreciation just as much as anything else.

More irrational ranting unrelated to technology and trends in entertainment.

Why are trends so frickin' important to you? So what if something is a trend. So were Mcmansions 10 years ago and so was segregation 50 years ago. Trends are irrelevant when one can actually think for themselves.

the few days I have been here

Somehow in the few days you have been here, you have become an expert on all the players here, including me. Bullshit. If you had any brains at all, you'd have taken the time to get to know the players here before you opened your uninformed piehole. I am opinionated, sure. So sue me, asshole. I can still run rings around you when it comes to understanding the recording scene and human nature in general, and I've had it up to my eyeballs with assholes like you that think that all opinions are created equal regardless of knowlege and experience. So you, you unknown anonymous newbie can go you know what to yourself.

He has to go through the recruitment and promotion process first and this is overseen by a governing body.

Whatever the fuck are you even talking about? Are you posting with fucking needles hanging out of your arm again?

Get this through your head. Consumption drives technology and technology drives living standards. People who once could never get to a record store can now safely and conveniently peruse databases.

Get this through YOUR fucking empty head, asshole; living standards are not defined solely monetarily. Life without in music would not be worth living, no matter how much money I had. Life without talent in music would be even worse. And short of the physically handicapped, who couldn't get to there local record store? There was at least one in every neighborhood.

Awww, you like your art spoon fed to you by "authorities" do you ? Also, like I said elsewhere, there was no "Cashola pay for play" back in the good ole days ? Lol.

The more you talk the more you show your complete inability to put coherent thoughts together. If you actually read what I said, you'd see that I was arguing AGAINST the spoon-feeding that goes on regularly. And yeah, jerkoffs like Alan Freed and the like were just as corrupt as you. That happens in every generation because there's always going to be assholes for whom money is their god. It's not them that I was referring to.

What authorities? You mean Clear Channel and Live Nation, who control 95% of the music you get to listen to without having to wad through the cesspool called the Internet? Fuck them.

Asshole punks like yourself think you're all the shit, until you actually grow up and discover just what idiots you were when you were younger. It happens to everybody, and you're no different. Neither was I.

One more time, no CASHOLA "back in the good ole days" ? How receptive were the top DJ's to avant garde sounds back then ?

You've never listened to Triad Radio? Or the Zodiac News service? Or the multitude of FM stations who's format was to mix everything from pre-breakout Floyd to Mozart to Duke Ellington to Procol Harem to early Earth Wind and Fire to Stan Getz in one set, if the mood called for it and if the set flowed.

Yeah there were the commercial stations and the payola stations back then, but there were also plenty of the avant garde who went to their own beat. Today, there's almost only the commercial and payola stations all run by one company. Yeah, there's still a few low-wattage renegades out there, but nowhere near the multitude there were for the asking 40 years ago.

Enough with the bad analogies already. Lol.

And enough with the childish lame assed phrases like "Lol", which are outright lies. You did NOT laugh out loud when you typed that, Skippy. Oh wait, I forgot, that's a "trend", so you must fall in line and use it, even when it's meaningless.

Asshole.

G.

 

[Greg_L]

Look how mad SSG is!

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Ya know, this thread was started by and about a guy who has self-proclaimed himself to suck at vocals. No authority decided that for him, he decided that for himself. No authority, no payola, no CFox bullshit. He can't sing, period, and wanted to know if there was technology that could hide that fact.

Yes there is. People like Britney Spears and Taylor Swift use it all the time to make it appear they can actually almost sing whne they couldn't hit and hold a note to save their mother's eyes. And you can't afford it.

That's neither the point nor the interesting question, IMHO. Far, FAR more interesting is why someone who can't sing wants to pretend that they can instead of actually learning how to do it the right way, or instead of persuing some other talents he may actually already have.

Fuck it, folks. I'm going out swinging. Life is too short to put up with.

G.

 

[walshinator666]

Yes my original post was to see if there's some type of technology out there to hide the fact that"I suck at singing".You guys helped me out tremendously when I had trouble recording the guitar line in the posted song,I just thought you'd be equally helpful in this.I'm just recording this for the fun and experience of it all,not to become a great singer or to put it on the internet or to sing live.I'm in a band and am quite happy just being the guitar player.So once again is there some type of technology out there to help me with recording my shitty singing?

 

[benherron.rrr]

Sorry buddy but you sound like a real half wit. Please dont try to engage me in dialogue if the truth is an issue for you. Incidently, my replies took up less text than Glens input.

Well fuck me! Im a half wit! look at you, you condecending arrogent half-baked excuse for a human-being. Your pleasure comes from disecting peoples posts to find an argument between the lines searching endlessly for a big word to compensate for your incompotence as a human being. If you were half as smart as you seemingly belive to be, you would infact know that music is OPINION! Glen is expressing his opinion, As I am mine, and you are yours. Joining a forum with a very dedicated commuinity such as this, expressing what can only be OPINION as what you mistake as fact is a very bad move, What are you? Grand master of human behavior? Almost everyone on the planet knows of a little effect known as peer preasure.

I will go very slow here. Alot of people appear to lack the ability to think for them selves. these people generally seem to think the term "cool" matters. Now if you get one of these "cool" people the weak minded people start to follow suit. Which is why fasion occurs, which is why trends occur. and why popular music occurs. If you get a "cool" person to say the shitest song in the world is infact good, all the people in this mind set will follow suit. And if yo need further proof. Look why most of the west hates Muslims. . . because the media leads you to belive that, when infact a negative stereotype has been created for a whole religion when there are a select few extreamists who do the work. Look at how people belived Michael Jackson was a pedophile, who coloured himself white because he was mentally unstable. A tiny venture into the facts proves he had a skin disorder he tried to cover up, and people who testified against him were natorious for getting money from rich people. The point being people belive what you want them to, making a crap single is much easier then getting a talented musician to record a good one, and with the right marketing it will sell better to the majority dumbed down audience.

I dont know a vocalist who would ever recomend using autotune. you may kick my ass in text, but musicaly I guarente you would be lying in a puddle of your own blood hearing my fingers touch the keys, the frets and my voice hit the wall. I know that because you belive music is mere entertainment, Only a real musician realises music has the power to touch the soul in a way no other force can react with the body.

So pull my words appart and wave your magic dictionary for the next big word. I feel sorry for you, one day you will drown in your own arrogence. Ive taken enough shit from people exactly like you.

 

[CFox]

First of all, son..

Hi Dad, I will be sure to answer each of your points, keeping all your quotes in context and unedited ( unlike what you did to me ).

First of all, son, PWN is NOT a word. It's a bunch of shit slang used by pre-teen videogamers. If you EVER want to be taken seriously, you'll stop using giveawyas like "PWN" in your arguments.

Add me on Xbox Live we can play Red Dead Redemption together. I have to warn you though, I am amazing.

No "slippery slope" argument was given, slopehead. It was an analogy, and an apt one, to indicate that *talent* matters in music to the vast majority. You may just want something free to listen to and not give a shit whether it comes from a computer or not, but there's a whole lot of folks with more than two brain cells to rub together who understand that, just like watching sports, listening to music is an exericise in talent appreciation just as much as anything else.

You know what ? I was in error, it wasnt a slippery slope argument, just the first of your bad analogies. I am really truly fucking sorry I know I am pretty much right 99% of the time but I am not per......wait, I am close to perfect

Why are trends so frickin' important to you? So what if something is a trend. So were Mcmansions 10 years ago and so was segregation 50 years ago. Trends are irrelevant when one can actually think for themselves.

Trends are not important to me ( I have often been accused of dressing like a communist whatever that means ) but they are important to the majority and they change over time, like you just demonstrated. Thanks for clarifying my point

Somehow in the few days you have been here, you have become an expert on all the players here, including me. Bullshit. If you had any brains at all, you'd have taken the time to get to know the players here before you opened your uninformed piehole. I am opinionated, sure. So sue me, asshole. I can still run rings around you when it comes to understanding the recording scene and human nature in general, and I've had it up to my eyeballs with assholes like you that think that all opinions are created equal regardless of knowlege and experience. So you, you unknown anonymous newbie can go you know what to yourself.

So you are not going through manopause ? So you are not an over emotional reactionary ? I bow to your technical knowledge in the audio field and I dont doubt you have a wealth of experience in the recording industry. But dont think for a fucking second that translates to carte blanche understanding of human nature, especially at the expense of mine. I lol, haha, guffaw etc at chronologically gifted people who assume that time spent on this earth somehow magically translates into understanding of all matters human. As if this was par for the course. Sorry, its not. I know plenty of stupid old people. I think I just met one more.

Whatever the fuck are you even talking about? Are you posting with fucking needles hanging out of your arm again?

I was demonstrating that your drunkard would not get very far in the police force with current regulations.

Get this through YOUR fucking empty head, asshole; living standards are not defined solely monetarily. Life without in music would not be worth living, no matter how much money I had. Life without talent in music would be even worse. And short of the physically handicapped, who couldn't get to there local record store? There was at least one in every neighborhood.

As has been explained to you ( again and again ) the good music is still out there, you just have to find it. The good news is the internet is faster than flipping through vinyl at a record store.

The more you talk the more you show your complete inability to put coherent thoughts together. If you actually read what I said, you'd see that I was arguing AGAINST the spoon-feeding that goes on regularly. And yeah, jerkoffs like Alan Freed and the like were just as corrupt as you. That happens in every generation because there's always going to be assholes for whom money is their god. It's not them that I was referring to.

What authorities? You mean Clear Channel and Live Nation, who control 95% of the music you get to listen to without having to wad through the cesspool called the Internet? Fuck them.

Asshole punks like yourself think you're all the shit, until you actually grow up and discover just what idiots you were when you were younger. It happens to everybody, and you're no different. Neither was I.

I know what you were you arguing against and I countered it by saying that is exactly how things were run according to "The Hit Men" book which I read. Sorry I wasnt there. You were there and you were also everywhere at once I am guessing so of course you have complete picture.

Anyways the internet has levelled the playing field. Digital radio is taking off too. Yay.

You've never listened to Triad Radio? Or the Zodiac News service? Or the multitude of FM stations who's format was to mix everything from pre-breakout Floyd to Mozart to Duke Ellington to Procol Harem to early Earth Wind and Fire to Stan Getz in one set, if the mood called for it and if the set flowed.

Yeah there were the commercial stations and the payola stations back then, but there were also plenty of the avant garde who went to their own beat. Today, there's almost only the commercial and payola stations all run by one company. Yeah, there's still a few low-wattage renegades out there, but nowhere near the multitude there were for the asking 40 years ago.

Yet there are still regional radio stations now as well yes ? With localised and unconventional playlists ? And of course the internet, which you seem to loathe.

And enough with the childish lame assed phrases like "Lol", which are outright lies. You did NOT laugh out loud when you typed that, Skippy. Oh wait, I forgot, that's a "trend", so you must fall in line and use it, even when it's meaningless.

Asshole.

G.

Ok, let's get serious for a moment. How do words enter vernacular ? Are they introduced by man or handed to us by Dog almighty ? Sure I didnt actually laugh out loud at the screen, I did grin broadly though. How about gb is that ok ? I think that lol as an emphatic symbolic gesture is fine.

Did you actually wink at the screen in that VST thread ?

No you didnt ....... PWNED lol.



Kind regards,
Asshole Punk

 

[CFox]

Well fuck me! Im a half wit! look at you, you condecending arrogent half-baked excuse for a human-being. Your pleasure comes from disecting peoples posts to find an argument between the lines searching endlessly for a big word to compensate for your incompotence as a human being. If you were half as smart as you seemingly belive to be, you would infact know that music is OPINION! Glen is expressing his opinion, As I am mine, and you are yours. Joining a forum with a very dedicated commuinity such as this, expressing what can only be OPINION as what you mistake as fact is a very bad move, What are you? Grand master of human behavior? Almost everyone on the planet knows of a little effect known as peer preasure.

I will go very slow here. Alot of people appear to lack the ability to think for them selves. these people generally seem to think the term "cool" matters. Now if you get one of these "cool" people the weak minded people start to follow suit. Which is why fasion occurs, which is why trends occur. and why popular music occurs. If you get a "cool" person to say the shitest song in the world is infact good, all the people in this mind set will follow suit. And if yo need further proof. Look why most of the west hates Muslims. . . because the media leads you to belive that, when infact a negative stereotype has been created for a whole religion when there are a select few extreamists who do the work. Look at how people belived Michael Jackson was a pedophile, who coloured himself white because he was mentally unstable. A tiny venture into the facts proves he had a skin disorder he tried to cover up, and people who testified against him were natorious for getting money from rich people. The point being people belive what you want them to, making a crap single is much easier then getting a talented musician to record a good one, and with the right marketing it will sell better to the majority dumbed down audience.

I dont know a vocalist who would ever recomend using autotune. you may kick my ass in text, but musicaly I guarente you would be lying in a puddle of your own blood hearing my fingers touch the keys, the frets and my voice hit the wall. I know that because you belive music is mere entertainment, Only a real musician realises music has the power to touch the soul in a way no other force can react with the body.

So pull my words appart and wave your magic dictionary for the next big word. I feel sorry for you, one day you will drown in your own arrogence. Ive taken enough shit from people exactly like you.

I cant believe your profile states you are a student. In what ? Lol.

 

[PDP]

Prozac Anyone ?

 

[kcearl]

I dont think CFox is my alias, but I may really be losing my mind, its possible <scratches head>

 

[dintymoore]

Prozac Anyone ?

Something...

It reminds me of around 6th grade when someone would start yelling "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!" and everyone would start chanting that and soon there's be a big crowd around two kids having it out in the schoolyard.

Somehow by about 7th grade we'd all outgrown it though!

 

[Greg_L]

It's just nice to see someone else - not me - kicking some ass for a change.

 

[ocnor]

Look at how people belived Michael Jackson was a pedophile, who coloured himself white because he was mentally unstable.

The dude molested countless children and then paid the parents huge amounts of hush money. This is a well known fact not some gossip made up to sell newspapers. He also bleached his skin because he was totally nuts. That flimsy story about the skin disease was propaganda that his people made up in an attempt at damage control. I suppose that you think he had his nose removed and his face turned into a plastic mask because he was the picture of mental health.

 

[dintymoore]

Ya but what if you do have a plastic nose, you are on Prozac and you are beating the shit out of someone in the schoolyard and still...

YOUR VOCALS SUCK!!!

WHAT THEN???