ljmaxx
Hurricane Offender
Quantagee said:
You have to order pipe organs from GC's sister site Musicians Friend. Free shipping too.
You have to order pipe organs from GC's sister site Musicians Friend. Free shipping too.
apl
Stand Up Comity
Make sure you stay away from the digital pipe organs. They lack warmth of analogue. And if you can find the vintage tube pipe organs, even better. But it takes six months for them to warm up.
evm1024
New member
Folks I asked about Pipe Organs not appliances!
Let's not confuse a 45 foot tall 30 wide 15 foot deep 35 ton Pipe Organ with an electronic organ.
--Ethan
Let's not confuse a 45 foot tall 30 wide 15 foot deep 35 ton Pipe Organ with an electronic organ.
--Ethan
apl
Stand Up Comity
evm1024 said:Let's not confuse a 45 foot tall 30 wide 15 foot deep 35 ton Pipe Organ with an electronic organ.
Yeah, the sheer size is why it takes so long for the 12AX7s to get up to temperature.
scrubs
Not of sound mind
O.K., this thread is pretty funny.
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Quantagee
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apl said:
I don't think they use 12AX7 tubes, They are too small and don't have enough power. I could be wrong, but I think they don't use tubes at all. They use air to make the sound. Therefore, I don't think that there are any "digital" pipe organs at all. At least at Harmony Central, nobody thinks so. I am still learning though!
mshilarious
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Quantagee said:
No, that can't be right. Sound doesn't exist in air; it only occurs in a vacuum, electronically. That's why it's important to use oxygen-free copper wire.
apl
Stand Up Comity
Quantagee said:
I though each pipe had a valve. That's like 5000 12AX7s.
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Quantagee
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mshilarious said:
That is sound transducted to an electrical signal. The original sound is transmitted through the air. I could be wrong, but I think that in a vacuum, there can be no sound at all. The mic transduces the air impulses to an electrical signal that travels through a copper wire. According to my friends at Harmony Central, oxygen free copper only solves the issue of the copper tarnishing and becoming corroded. If you look at a cable that is a few years old you can see the corrosion if you strip the outer coating back a few inches. The copper looks black and continues up the cable until the whole length of the wire is corroded. Of coarse, before that happens, the end of the wire corrodes so badly that the connection begins to rise in resistance. The eventual breakage is the result. So, oxygen free copper minimizes corrosion and solves an issue that has nothing to do with sound.
The pipe organ has to use air to make sound. That is why they have bell tubes. Each tube has a different length/and or width. The tube is tuned to provide a note. The air goes through the tube and exits through a tuned port. This is like blowing accross a glass bottle and hearing a note. The note occurs because the glass oscillates at a given frequency.
So, pipe organs cannot be recorded DI because of this. Any digital representation of a pipe organ would be sampled from a recording of a pipe organ done with microphones.
sile2001
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Quantagee, in case you hadn't picked up on it yet, this thread long ago degenerated into nothing more than sarcastic sillinessQuantagee said:
. We're not seriously saying that you could DI a pipe organ, or that you would use 5,000 tubes or 5,000 mics or any of that...we're just joking...
apl
Stand Up Comity
sile2001 said:Quantagee, in case you hadn't picked up on it yet, this thread long ago degenerated into nothing more than sarcastic silliness
But you can fit a 1/4" TRS plug into one of those little pipes that has a, well, 1/4" inside diameter. That's gotta be worth something, right?
sile2001
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Well of course...that's what I do for the pipes that are too small even for the SM81's...duh....apl said:
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chessrock
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sile2001 said:Quantagee, in case you hadn't picked up on it yet, this thread long ago degenerated into nothing more than sarcastic silliness
And it was all good-natured too. We waited until someone answered the question thoughtfully and professionally. Then we just kinda' had some fun with it. You gotta' keep in mind that most of us here are recording guitars and have never even seen a pipe organ, nor would we know what to do with one.
mshilarious
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chessrock said:And it was all good-natured too. We waited until someone answered the question thoughtfully and professionally. Then we just kinda' had some fun with it. You gotta' keep in mind that most of us here are recording guitars and have never even seen a pipe organ, nor would we know what to do with one.
Hey! I'm going to a pipe organ concert next week! The church where we are moving has a pipe organ! I have no fewer than 4 and maybe even 6 pipe organ CDs!
Didn't record any of them though
They don't call it the King of Instruments for nothin'--pipe organs kick ass!
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Quantagee
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chessrock said:And it was all good-natured too. We waited until someone answered the question thoughtfully and professionally. Then we just kinda' had some fun with it. You gotta' keep in mind that most of us here are recording guitars and have never even seen a pipe organ, nor would we know what to do with one.
They are not like this over at Harmony Central. I have friends there. I guess, looking back, maybe I should have known you were kidding me. I spent a few hours looking at that Led Zeppelin album for the Pro-Tools credit and wasted all night. I guess I don't have to go to GC and ask if they have any pipe organs in stock tonight.
sile2001
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That, or at least deafen it!mshilarious said:
Speaking of pipe organs, I got to hear the Wanamaker Grand Court organ at Lord & Taylor's in Philadelphia...holy crap that thing's loud! It has over 28,000 pipes and runs from floor to ceiling of the 10 story atrium. We were sitting by the console, which was on the 7th floor. The compartment housing the circuit boards to control the beast was the size of an average bedroom.
I saw one of the most amazing displays of musicianship I've ever seen before. The organ has 5 manuals (keyboards) and two full rows of pedals and the guy was hopping back and forth between them like the keys were burning his fingers! This guy made all the discussion of a few miliseconds latency difference between WDM and AISO drivers seem worthless...between the delay for the organ to actuate the pipes and the delay of the sound to reach our location, the man was playing a full 2 seconds ahead of what he was actually hearing, and played damn near flawlessly!
And talk about loud! They said that only about 2/3 of the organ was functioning at the time we were there, and it was still shaking the walls and floors.
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andydeedpoll
i do love smilies...
apparently they're only allowed to open the stops for the 32 foot pipes on the organ in the Vatican once a year on easter morning...
... if they do it any more regularly they reckon there's a danger of the whole building collapsing
and i don't suppose anyone's ever read any Terry Pratchett? he writes about an organ with 400 stops - with a large selection of animal and farmyard noises. the last 12 have "?" written on them, and a few have "danger, do not use under any circumstances."
... or something like that
hehe
i feel like going and playing the organ in church now actually. might just do that...
Andy
... if they do it any more regularly they reckon there's a danger of the whole building collapsing
and i don't suppose anyone's ever read any Terry Pratchett? he writes about an organ with 400 stops - with a large selection of animal and farmyard noises. the last 12 have "?" written on them, and a few have "danger, do not use under any circumstances."
... or something like that
hehei feel like going and playing the organ in church now actually. might just do that...
Andy
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chessrock
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Quantagee said:
I'm calling your bluff on this one, Quantagee. You're messin' us now.
evm1024
New member
Tracker action it the top level organ
Pipe organs come in all kinds but for classical organ the all mechanical tracker action organ it at the top. The only electronics on it are the lamp to see the music with and the blower fro the wind supply.
I spent about 2 years tuning up pipe organs as an apprentice. Lots of fun. The largest organ that I helped tune had about 12000 pipes ranging in size from 1/8" in diameter up to something that you could crawl into and sleep in. It took about a week to tune it.
Speaking of large instruments Bach wrote a piece with 6 independent voices contra-time and contra-motion. Having 2 pedal boards would be a requirement here. I was always amazed that anyone not only could play it but could make the voices appere independent. Two voices on each hand and one on each foot. No lie.
I did take lessons for a year or two but never had the apptitude or time to master the organ (Yes that is an organist joke). Of course only one may mount the organ at a time so you are always playing solo.
Regards
Pipe organs come in all kinds but for classical organ the all mechanical tracker action organ it at the top. The only electronics on it are the lamp to see the music with and the blower fro the wind supply.
I spent about 2 years tuning up pipe organs as an apprentice. Lots of fun. The largest organ that I helped tune had about 12000 pipes ranging in size from 1/8" in diameter up to something that you could crawl into and sleep in. It took about a week to tune it.
Speaking of large instruments Bach wrote a piece with 6 independent voices contra-time and contra-motion. Having 2 pedal boards would be a requirement here. I was always amazed that anyone not only could play it but could make the voices appere independent. Two voices on each hand and one on each foot. No lie.
I did take lessons for a year or two but never had the apptitude or time to master the organ (Yes that is an organist joke). Of course only one may mount the organ at a time so you are always playing solo.
Regards
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acorec
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chessrock said:
You are slipping Chess. I think the stuff about Harmony Central kind'a tipped me off.