Since my last thread ("panning mono tracks for stereo mixdown" below)generated a lot of response and led to a bunch of good info being posted as well as some equally interesting tangential side discussions,all continuing to contribute to my developing understanding of different aspects of the recording process,I figured I'd post a new thread on a subject which was touched on in the previous thread that I'm currently involved in working out an approach to-
getting the kick drum and bass part to work together "hand in glove" in the mix- and especially in terms of each other....
There's a lot of good info available online about this going into detail about things like EQ'ng them in relation to each other;cutting/boosting in a complementary way to avoid masking -I've been studying a lot about things,copying down the info and applying it to what I do ....
But there's still a gap between what I want to achieve and the results I'm getting so I decided to post this and see what people's feedback would be...
I spent some time today getting a good bass recording w/EQ + compression settings I liked..but even though I had a concept for the type of kick sound to use w/it and worked on coming up w/EQ/compression for what I thought
would be the right combination,the result didn't work as I'd hoped
...so I took a break from 4/5 hours of listenening to the kick part for the track I'm putting together( (right around the time the fallout from working on getting the settings for it started to produce a simulated "standing next to a jackhammer without earplugs "effect) and posted this...
I guess it takes a while to be able to judge beforehand whether the sound you have in mind for each will actually work together.once you record them...the bass sound I'm using is one I like for the track,I want to keep it but every kick sound I've tried to fit it hasn't been right for it...
The track is @ 96 BPM and has a kind of urban/dance feel to it.. the kick/bass part is one of the focus aspects of it....the bass duplicates the kick pattern in places and fills in rhythmically around it in others..so I I have to get this right...
Probably the reason I"m having difficulty with it is that I've been spending time working on getting different kick sounds and gone from thinking in terms of kicks that have a strong lower-mid sound w/some higher mids to set up the beater effect to trying to get the stereotypical" muffled thud" rap/hip-hop kick sound without much upper mids and w/more of the 50>100Hz frequencies...this just didn't work w/the bass sound ....at present I have a reworked version of this kind of kick sound recorded that has a lot of punch to it, I'm going to try layering it w/one w/more mid-beater range frequencies and see if this works...
I'll be heading "back to the drawing board"but before I do I wanted to ask the forum community for any ideas/experiences re-this....
In specific,what kind of kick/bass pitch relationship do people use?The bass part for this track is a melodically simple one w/just the root pedal of the chords used played....and as a result the kick pitch has become a factor -which I'm thinking shouldn't be the case as once the track is put together the kick pitch won't be as evident and the percussive effect will be more mportant in the mix...
As always any and all feedback appreciated....
getting the kick drum and bass part to work together "hand in glove" in the mix- and especially in terms of each other....
There's a lot of good info available online about this going into detail about things like EQ'ng them in relation to each other;cutting/boosting in a complementary way to avoid masking -I've been studying a lot about things,copying down the info and applying it to what I do ....
But there's still a gap between what I want to achieve and the results I'm getting so I decided to post this and see what people's feedback would be...
I spent some time today getting a good bass recording w/EQ + compression settings I liked..but even though I had a concept for the type of kick sound to use w/it and worked on coming up w/EQ/compression for what I thought
would be the right combination,the result didn't work as I'd hoped
...so I took a break from 4/5 hours of listenening to the kick part for the track I'm putting together( (right around the time the fallout from working on getting the settings for it started to produce a simulated "standing next to a jackhammer without earplugs "effect) and posted this...
I guess it takes a while to be able to judge beforehand whether the sound you have in mind for each will actually work together.once you record them...the bass sound I'm using is one I like for the track,I want to keep it but every kick sound I've tried to fit it hasn't been right for it...
The track is @ 96 BPM and has a kind of urban/dance feel to it.. the kick/bass part is one of the focus aspects of it....the bass duplicates the kick pattern in places and fills in rhythmically around it in others..so I I have to get this right...
Probably the reason I"m having difficulty with it is that I've been spending time working on getting different kick sounds and gone from thinking in terms of kicks that have a strong lower-mid sound w/some higher mids to set up the beater effect to trying to get the stereotypical" muffled thud" rap/hip-hop kick sound without much upper mids and w/more of the 50>100Hz frequencies...this just didn't work w/the bass sound ....at present I have a reworked version of this kind of kick sound recorded that has a lot of punch to it, I'm going to try layering it w/one w/more mid-beater range frequencies and see if this works...
I'll be heading "back to the drawing board"but before I do I wanted to ask the forum community for any ideas/experiences re-this....
In specific,what kind of kick/bass pitch relationship do people use?The bass part for this track is a melodically simple one w/just the root pedal of the chords used played....and as a result the kick pitch has become a factor -which I'm thinking shouldn't be the case as once the track is put together the kick pitch won't be as evident and the percussive effect will be more mportant in the mix...
As always any and all feedback appreciated....
Last edited: