What is spam?

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crazydoc

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Dragon said:
There will be no more personal attacks, trolls, or spam tolerated in the Mic Forum...or any other one for that matter.

I think you're going to have to be specific as to what constitute spam, to put this crap to rest.

To me, spam is unsolicited mass advertising that comes in my email. It's like junk snailmail or telemarketing calls.

Quick definitions (Spam)

* noun: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk)
* noun: a canned meat made largely from pork
* verb: send unwanted or junk e-mail



Someone posting information about their product, when it's on topic in a thread, is not spam.

Someone posting information about their commercial or professional affiliation below their name is not spam.
 
crazydoc said:
Someone posting information about their product, when it's on topic in a thread, is not spam.

Someone posting information about their commercial or professional affiliation below their name is not spam.
I'd have to agree with that, 100%......

If someone posts a comment, and they have a professional affiliation - I want to see that in their sig so I can make MY OWN determination as to the merit of their posts.

I don't need forum nazis to filter people's comments for me, thank you very much..............
 
On the nose! We all seem to agree. I feel that anyone here can discern opinion and help from sales technique. Just because someone believes in their product does not constitute misinformation. I would worry if Alan, Warren, Fletch and the rest of you didn't tell me about what you've got that might fit in my studio.
 
The real questions are:

What does Dragon consider to be spam?
Are Alan's postings spam or not?
Is it alright to have a link in your sig line?
Should members be allowed to disrupt threads by shouting "spam"?
If a member feels something is spam, shouldn't they just report it to the moderators?
How many disruptions should a poster be allowed before they are banned?
How should posting misleading or false information on purpose be handled?
Is there a category (beyond red) for disruptive posters that says, "This person is a known asshole."?
How many other members have a red color box by their post count?
 
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Harvey Gerst said:
The real questions are:


Is it alright to have a link in your sig line?

Should members be allowed to disrupt threads by shouting "spam"?
If a member feels something is spam, shouldn't they just report it to the moderators?
First of all I hope it's isn't a big deal if you have a link in your signature. I have my Pro Tools forum in my Sig as you can see so it is non-commercial. I hope that is ok.

I do agree though, and also I have made several faults doing it, that we should not instantely react on spam. Just ignore it and report it to the moderator. Useluss discussions and insults only puts oil on the fire.
 
My sig is OK, right?

:p

EDIT: Personally, I think if anyone has a problem with links in someone's sig, they should go into their "User CP" and disable viewing signatures.

It doesn't cause a problem unless it's ridiculous, like mine.
 
i love freedom of speech, if anyone wishes to insult me, please do, and i'll shout back,
but of course this is an AUDIO forum, especially the Mic section should stay a bit technical...bitching at eachother in threads can be annoying for other readers... maybe we should start a KILL EACHOTHER section at this forum,
if you wanna insult, go there :rolleyes:

i really LIKE it if someone posts a link for his site, business or personal,
i wanna know who i am talking to... and i'll never buy a piece of hard-or-software because ONE PERSON posted a link for it !!!!

maybe we should do a POLL each time someone is acting like an asshole,
and vote him away, just like in reality shows .......IDOL 2003.... :o
 
crazydoc said:
I think you're going to have to be specific as to what constitute spam, to put this crap to rest.

To me, spam is unsolicited mass advertising that comes in my email. It's like junk snailmail or telemarketing calls.

Quick definitions (Spam)

* noun: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk)
* noun: a canned meat made largely from pork
* verb: send unwanted or junk e-mail



Someone posting information about their product, when it's on topic in a thread, is not spam.

Someone posting information about their commercial or professional affiliation below their name is not spam.

Exactly! A number of visitors here are under the impression that any hint of commercialism can be construed as spam. It just ain't so.

From spam.abuse.net:

What is spam?

Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender.

There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems.

Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people - anyone with measured phone service - read or receive their mail while the meter is running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs are transmitted directly to subscribers.

One particularly nasty variant of email spam is sending spam to mailing lists (public or private email discussion forums.) Because many mailing lists limit activity to their subscribers, spammers will use automated tools to subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible, so that they can grab the lists of addresses, or use the mailing list as a direct target for their attacks.

(For more information about the origin of the term "spam", and the formal definitions of Usenet spam, see J.D.Falk's excellent Net Abuse FAQ)
 
I have my studio name in my sig. Not because I expect a random poster from SoCal to decide to travel to the middle of the country to use my studio because of my link, but because (once my web site is done) I would like people to decide if my opinion carries any weight based on what I do OUTSIDE this forum, and my web site will validate what I do.

There are plenty of people with lots of posts on this forum. But verbosity does not necessarily equate to knowledge. There are people with 50 posts on this forum whose opinions I respect more than some posters with 5000. A professional link in a signature can let people know that you MIGHT just know what you're talking about.

If Dragon tells me that my sig is spam, then it will go away. If a self-appointed "spam cop" tells me the same thing, I'll probably post more in that thread just to annoy them.
 
crazydoc said:
I think you're going to have to be specific as to what constitute spam, to put this crap to rest.

To me, spam is unsolicited mass advertising that comes in my email. It's like junk snailmail or telemarketing calls.

Quick definitions (Spam)

* noun: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk)
* noun: a canned meat made largely from pork
* verb: send unwanted or junk e-mail



Someone posting information about their product, when it's on topic in a thread, is not spam.

Someone posting information about their commercial or professional affiliation below their name is not spam.
I wish you posted this in the Cave rather than on the mic forum... oh well. Anyway, the Dragon is in the process of working on the new hr.com rules and he will post them when he does. In the mean time (IMO) it might be best not to post any messages that might even be mistaken for an advertising message or spam.
 
JMarcomb said:
if your house is burning down... do you grab the sofa or your kids?
I'm trying to avoid problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) type posts... please help by not starting crap. Thanks, Don
 
well... you might wanna start by ridding yourself of your sly punches



im done with you :D



edited by JMarcomb : Today at 15:26. re: you adding your wheelchair and then removing it in your post)...i dont buy into feeling sorry for somebody because theyre looking for it.
 
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DJL said:
I wish you posted this in the Cave rather than on the mic forum... oh well. Anyway, the Dragon is in the process of working on the new hr.com rules and he will post them when he does. In the mean time (IMO) it might be best not to post any messages that might even be mistaken for an advertising message or spam.
Well see, DJ, there you go again acting as a self-appointed cop in the bbs.

First of all, this has everything to do with the mic forum, as it is people's differing definitions of spam and their arguments about it that has gotten this forum closed twice now in the last month or so. And you currently are the main offender (yes, that is what everybody but you thinks - get real.)

This has been a continuing problem in this forum for at least the 2 1/2+ years since I joined, and has lead to many bad feelings and childish outbursts that otherwise wouldn't have occurred among people that otherwise agree on many things about mics and recording, to the detriment of all.

Some of the blame must be laid at Dragon's door, as he has refused to step in when things were out of hand, had no active forum moderator, and has never clarified the groundrules for posting information that could be construed as "spam" or advertising, despite the huge amout of bandwidth that arguing about it has eaten up.

I'm glad to see that he now seems to be doing something about it. Until he posts his definitions and rules, I suggest that you, DJL, cease to try to act like the forum cop and just shut the hell up about it. We're tired of your shit.

If you want to give us an opinion about what you think should and shouldn't be allowed to be posted here, fine. Until Dragon posts his guidelines, don't try to tell anybody what to do. It's not your call.
 
DJL said:
Oh crap, here you go again... this thread was begging for trouble.

Later,
Don
No, it's not me or twenty other people here, it's you. And until you figure that out, it isn't going to stop.

And this thread isn't begging for trouble, it's begging for Dragon to put some order in here, especially for you, since you seem to need everything explicitly spelled out as "rules."
 
DJL said:
Oh crap, here you go again... this thread was begging for trouble.

Later,
Don
See Don... this is what I don't get... people are expressing their opinions here. Everyone's POV is valid, and there was absolutely no cause for you to jump in and police this thread at all.

Nothing inflammatory has been said, no names were mentioned in a derogatory fashion..... your commenting on it is simply ridiculous - you're completely out of line, again - which apparently, is now par for the course.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
See Don... this is what I don't get... people are expressing their opinions here. Everyone's POV is valid, and there was absolutely no cause for you to jump in and police this thread at all.

Nothing inflammatory has been said, no names were mentioned in a derogatory fashion..... your commenting on it is simply ridiculous - you're completely out of line, again - which apparently, is now par for the course.
Oh I see, everyone but me can comment. I'm done with this thread.
 
Good plan, Don. I won't get into the troll wars here, but I will agree that what Alan (or Light, Blue Bear, Brent, Harvey, Chessrock, or myself, for that matter) does here is generally not SPAM. SPAM is like pornography, I know it when I see it. Consider this- SPAM exists in a gray area, like child sex abuse.
We pretty much all agree that when a 40 year old man has sex with a 3 year old girl, that's sex abuse, and the 40 year old is a sick criminal. Except for a few of us, I would think that we'll mostly agree that when a 17 year old girl has sex with a willing 16 year old boy, he just got lucky, and neither one of them is a criminal or a victim. Somewhere between the first and second example, each of us (and the law) have to draw a line, and we draw it in different places, according to our personal belief systems.
I think we all can agree that "Horny girl wants you bad" or "How to make money on the internet" posted to every forum *is* SPAM. I also believe that if Alan Hyatt says, "I'm the CEO of PMI Audio, the parent company of Studio Projects, an audio manufacturing firm", most of us will agree that that is *not* SPAM, just the truth.
Now, my particular belief system- If a guy posts, "I'm looking for a tracking studio in Canada for a commercial project, anybody know a good one?", and Blue Bear says, "I do that, and I think I can do a good job for a reasonable price. Send me an email and we'll talk about your needs, here's the link.", that is *NOT* SPAM. Everybody is allowed to belive that they do their job well, and everybody is allowed to admit what they do. If Blue Bear started posting spam-o-grams to every forum, advertising his services, then I'd identify the formed pork product, and email the moderator about it.
That's just the place where I draw my line in the sand. It works both ways though. If a person states they provide certain services or products in a forum, they also leave themselves open to both praise and criticism of their product, *not* praise and criticism of *them*. So if I recorded my CD at Blue Bear studios, I get to say, "Bruce did a great job, and I would recommend his studio", or "I wasn't really happy with Bruce's work because _________, and I think you could get better value elsewhere."
What I don't want to do is criticize a problem with a product without giving the guy a chance to make it right, or question the guy's character because I don't care for his work. That only happens when the guy is proven to be a fraud, a liar, or a thief. The other thing is that criticism, whatever it is, must be stated clearly and directly, rather than asking leading and apparently unrelated questions that intimate and insinuate, rather than stating the opinion clearly. That is really the only problem I've ever had with DJL's posts, which are transparent, condescending, and reveal the thinly disguised agenda behind them. Furthermore, the claims that they are innocent questions from inquiring minds who want to know is insulting to my intelligence.
Just don't lock the damn forum, Dragon. If you have to ban somebody, and you've tried every other reasonable route, just do it. And if you think somebody is spamming, report it to the moderator, and accept that he will or won't do something about it, depending on where *he*, and only *he*, draws the line. Then live with it. And pleeeease, stop beating the horse. It's dead.-Richie
 
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