The Fake Drums Tone Thread

Steenamaroo said:
I don't have any version of kontakt so if you'd like me to check anything on the free version, just let me know. :)
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That'd be cool man, I'd hate for someone to miss out on this because they don't have the full version of Kontakt, but I have no idea if it'll work or not with the freebie....
 
No worries. If it answers a question or saves you any hassle, I'd be glad to help.
With Greg's approval too, of course.

I should say, I'm not trying to nab a copy of your library.
If there's a way to test with a single instrument...one tom...something like that? That's fine.
 
Steenamaroo said:
No worries. If it answers a question or saves you any hassle, I'd be glad to help.
With Greg's approval too, of course.

I should say, I'm not trying to nab a copy of your library.
If there's a way to test with a single instrument...one tom...something like that? That's fine.
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Yeah, Greg would have to give me the green light on any of it, as they're his samples/sounds...

I jumped the gun saying anything about giving 'em away, sorry dudes...
 
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minerman said:
Yeah, Greg would have to give me the green light on any of it, as they're his samples/sounds...

I jumped the gun saying anything about giving 'em away, sorry dudes...
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Yeah, that's cool man.
If there's anything you want tested with or without Greg samples, hit me up. :)
 
Something to consider that I've not seen: Cymbal rolls. No matter how you do them (with SSD at least) it sounds a bit fake.
 
BroKen_H said:
Something to consider that I've not seen: Cymbal rolls. No matter how you do them (with SSD at least) it sounds a bit fake.
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+1.
That's one of the good things I noticed about East West percussion. It has various recorded rolls for cymbals, snares, timpani etc.
I've never seen it in a straight-up drum suite, though.
 
Bumping this thread up, anyone wanna comment on the fake drums on this??? Anything sound off/not right??? Thanks in advance...

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FWIW, only thing that's me here are the drums, the other tracks are Rock Band multi-tracks, & I did the drum programming following the RB drum track as a guide...
 
That's pretty good. The toms seem kind of narrow. Are they that narrow in the real tracks? Are those my cymbals?
 
Greg_L said:
That's pretty good. The toms seem kind of narrow. Are they that narrow in the real tracks? Are those my cymbals?
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Thanks dude, makes me feel pretty good when you say my fake drums sound ok...On the toms, I seem to do this a lot, I can't stand the hard panned stuff in these fake drums, to me, it makes 'em sound even more fake, so I probably went overboard...

IIRC, the oh's are panned like 45/45, the room/ambience mics are 55/55 & the toms are panned a little more narrow...Should be an easy fix though, just a couple little tweaks for that...

Your cymbals are on this dude, but they're blended with Superior oh's/cymbals...

I dunno if these Rock Band multi-tracks are real or not, but some of them sure sound like they are...That said, something that really surprised me is how much room sound are on the drums, it's a lot more than I expected...
 
I was thinking those guitar tracks sound awfully refined for vintage KISS tracks, but I don't know. That Rockband shit is foreign to me.

I think you did a good job with the programming. That's pretty much how Peter Criss played it to the best of my recollection. Sounds like it could be a real drummer. You can widen the toms but drop em down a bit so they're more from the overheads.
 
Greg_L said:
I was thinking those guitar tracks sound awfully refined for vintage KISS tracks, but I don't know. That Rockband shit is foreign to me.
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Yeah man, I'm just not sure these things are the real deal...How did they gain access to the tracks/masters/whatever, you know??? Some of them sound pretty authentic, but others don't, so I dunno if they're real or not, but these things have been a great help to me as a learning tool, & I've got a bunch of them from different bands/artists...

Greg_L said:
I think you did a good job with the programming. That's pretty much how Peter Criss played it to the best of my recollection. Sounds like it could be a real drummer. You can widen the toms but drop em down a bit so they're more from the overheads.
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Thanks man, the midi I programmed was triggered by the RB drum tracks, basically doing what Slate's Trigger & Drumagog do, I just used a script/custom action I got from the Reaper forum to spit out the midi for each kit piece...Of course, this isn't 100% accurate, & I'm still learning how to use the script, so I did have to edit the midi, but I think it's fairly close...
 
Greg_L said:
All that went way over my head. Lol.
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Lol...It's not that hard or complicated man, basically what it does is insert a midi note where each drum hit is in the song/timeline, for each kit piece (kick, snare, toms, etc)...

Here it is being used, the blue is the original waveform, red is the "filter" waveform (you can turn this up/down to trigger more notes/fewer notes), & the yellow lines are the midi notes themselves (the little dot on the yellow line is velocity for each hit)...


The script has a few sliders for fine tuning (IE: it has eq filters to concentrate on just a kick drum for example), they have to be fiddled with for the best results, but this is free (I think Trigger & Drumagog are like $100) & does about the same thing...

The only drawback for me is a tempo map needs to be made, or it has major timing issues, but I've finally got the hang of that, & doesn't take too long now that I understand/know what I need to do...
 
Greg_L said:
But what the hell do you do with that? Are you turning a finished 2-bus drum track into individual hits?
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Sort of, but instead of wav files/hits, it spits out midi notes....Each kit piece in fake drums have their own midi note#, (note numbers go from 1-127...kick=36, snare=38, etc) & this script/program spits the midi notes at the transients, basically putting the midi notes where each drum hit is in the song...When the midi is played back through Superior/EZ Drummer, it plays the notes assigned to each piece...

This is what I see when I double click on a midi item in Reaper:


At the left are the name of the articulations for each kit piece, & the number next to each note (triangles) is it's velocity...Basically the script turns the audio/individual hits into midi notes, & when played back through Superior/EZ Drummer, the notes trigger the different kit pieces/articulations...

The pic above is about 1 bar (you can see the bar numbers at the top)...:)
 
Okay but what do you do with this? Don't you e-drum or just draw you own drum tracks? I guess I don't understand the point of this.
 
Greg_L said:
Okay but what do you do with this? Don't you e-drum or just draw you own drum tracks? I guess I don't understand the point of this.
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Just think of it as converting drum tracks from a wav file, into a midi file, like these songs have been recorded using an e-kit...
 
Man, That is some complicated shit!
It would take me half a decade to get the drums down on a song like this.
My hat is off to you miner!
You're obviously a bona fide genius.
 
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