Sloppy drums!
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RAMI
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Don't you think he'll figure it out once he starts hearing a click in his headphones?
Steenamaroo
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Don't you think he'll figure it out once he starts hearing a click in his headphones?
LMAO! He's a drummer RAMI. Weren't you paying attention?
Daveonbass....does the drummer know he's out of time? It could be a case of just getting back into it.
If he's aware, just practice for a bit and see how you go.
Particular grooves were worse than others; I'm sure you know that, so rehearse those more than others.
Otis T Slim
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Could it be because our drummer doesn't get to practice much, as his kit is in our studio, and as a band we haven't rehearsed for a while?
Dave
This.
How's that saying go? There's no substitution for perspiration?
What others are saying about practicing to a click/cd/drum machine, then recording without it, is good advice. i'm a drummer, btw. like for 25+ years.
a little tempo flexibility can be an effective technique, but everyone has to flex together, if you KWIM.
what about feeding the drummer a loop he programs and likes, instead of a click? i will say playing along to any kind of click track is not easy and takes practice, and can actually be detrimental if unfamiliar. gotta be in your comfort zone.
you guys are well on your way, tho'. :thumbsup:
Otis T Slim
New member
another good idea, recording 'rehearsal' takes. there's no reason not to be recording all the time, really. you never know what you might catch...
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Should you be recording an EP at this stage when you admit the drummer doesn't practice and you don't rehearse as a band ? Bear in mind that any permanent recording needs to bear repeated listenings. Forever.
Is your drummer somewhat thick skinned or overly sensitive ? How did he react to having to do the drums again ? Have you discuussed your dissatisfaction with him ? What was his stance ?
This is the golden example of a question that contains it's own reply.
You can be helped the 'studio wizardry' way or simply correct this
The first way will simply lead you to your opening post.
Mo Facta
Farts of Nature
Believe me, I use all that time stretching, quantizing stuff. But to tell a person who is [I assume] relatively new to recording drums to start slicing, dicing and stretching drums is not the solution to his problem. He'll be a in a world of hurt when his drummer realizes his inadequacies can be fixed by studio trickery because said drummer will become lazy and request the process every time. I'm looking at the long term.
Another problem is when the rest of the kit is being played in relatively good time compared to the kick, like in this example. It's one thing for the entire groove to be late but when it's just the kick, you're going to end up chasing your tail and there's going to be a trade-off somewhere. Ever try to fix a four-to-the-floor groove when the kick and snare are flamming? Not very easy and often it's not possible. This is a similar situation.
Cheers
Another problem is when the rest of the kit is being played in relatively good time compared to the kick, like in this example. It's one thing for the entire groove to be late but when it's just the kick, you're going to end up chasing your tail and there's going to be a trade-off somewhere. Ever try to fix a four-to-the-floor groove when the kick and snare are flamming? Not very easy and often it's not possible. This is a similar situation.
Cheers
Legolas1971
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Believe me, I use all that time stretching, quantizing stuff. But to tell a person who is [I assume] relatively new to recording drums to start slicing, dicing and stretching drums is not the solution to his problem. He'll be a in a world of hurt when his drummer realizes his inadequacies can be fixed by studio trickery because said drummer will become lazy and request the process every time. I'm looking at the long term.
Another problem is when the rest of the kit is being played in relatively good time compared to the kick, like in this example. It's one thing for the entire groove to be late but when it's just the kick, you're going to end up chasing your tail and there's going to be a trade-off somewhere. Ever try to fix a four-to-the-floor groove when the kick and snare are flamming? Not very easy and often it's not possible. This is a similar situation.
Cheers
Again, I totally agree. I was just trying to offer a solution. It's definitely better
for the drummer work out the kinks in his playing (by practicing with a click, etc..).
I guess I was assuming that they wanted this EP done quickly; so, elastic audio
would be a quick option....
Don't you think he'll figure it out once he starts hearing a click in his headphones?
He's gonna hear the click while practicing but he doesnt need to know when your recording ya know?
Sometimes it helps to start with a click and then let it drop out after like the first chorus.
Just things to try before you forced to live with what you may consider a shoddy performance or finding a different drummer.
Dont grid it up, thats cheating Imo.
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RAMI
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Ya, I got it the first time.
daveonthebass
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He admitted there were a few mistakes, but nothing that major,and that he thought the takes were actually okay! (but i'd beg to differ)
And on the message refering to the bass, that was just a guide track, guitar and bass were mixed down to one track!
And on the message refering to the bass, that was just a guide track, guitar and bass were mixed down to one track!
"Major" is in the ear of the beholder. I think that if he is a "drummer", he should be able to hear the kicked notes that are off. Back in the day, I found two useful solutions. Adjusting the click volume, and playing a simpler beat/fill. If it moves out of the realm of drumming and into the realm of psychology, well... good luck.
BrianMcNevin
New member
From what I've heard there, by now, what your band needs to do should be pretty obvious to you, but I don't want to be the guy to tell you and be rude.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Well then, be the guy to tell him and do it reasonably, politely and helpfully.
You make it sound like it'll hurt you to be honest without withering someone's possible self esteem, tsk, tsk.
Guitargodgt
New member
You know 30 years ago if you guys were in the studio the engineer would either get you piss drunk and do it himself or hire a studio guy or be blunt and tell the drummer that he wasn't up for the task.
But now we have tools to fix a sloppy take, and it always seems to be at the expense of someones ego.
But now we have tools to fix a sloppy take, and it always seems to be at the expense of someones ego.
witzendoz
Senior Member
witzendoz, no stress dude. I wasn't saying you were saying anything. Just giving my thoughts.
I agree with you so we're on the same page.
Cheers
All cool, I haven't been on the forum for a few days as I am working with a tour that's in town.
Alan.
witzendoz
Senior Member
You know that if people practiced for as much time that is taken to edit and fix crap playing they would become better players.
Alan.
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Guitargodgt
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they could probably nail the song. Takes me around 2-3 hours a song to edit drums if they are bad. Go practice the song for 2-3 hours and suck less. lol