Random Crackles on Recording

Leachim said:
Hey

Just downloaded ntrack - NO CRACKLES

Number of tracks wasn't a problem to start with. I was just recording one or two - still with odd distortion - but not with ntrack (yet)...

What does this all mean

??

n-Track rocks! :cool:
Best bang for the buck IMO, not to mention the very knowledgeable folks over at the FAsoft Forum.



P.S. My help is free .... I don't worry about reputation levels. :cool:
 
crankz. actually i think a great combination is ntracks plus powertracks.
the latter has very good midi features by comparison.
 
In Powertracks I am getting some error messages when clicking on default in the Audio Preferences window. "card failed test - full duplex settings have been disabled" and "Could not open wave device - specified format not supported"

I am choosing Creative Soundcard for output and Delta 44 1/2 and Delta 3/4 for input.

It never ends - would it be simpler to get 512Mb memory to use CEP2 - or what happens if I upgrade to AA instead ?

Does powertrack produce the finished article as CEP does
 
firstly - dont sweat this. its probably a setting in the 44.
yes powertracks will produce great mixes to burn to cd.
contact pg support. or the forum. these folks have been very helpfull to me in the past. support WILL get you working. they are extremely knowledgeable and seen it all before.
i'll try and help.
firstly which card failed the test ? the 44 or the creative ?
one thing that is confusing me is why are you choosing the creative for
output when the delta is a better card ?
see if this works. select the 44 for the inputs AND the outputs.
one point that could be an issue i'm wondering about is what rates are you operating at 16 bit or 24 bit ? make sure there isnt some possibility of
mismatches between the 44 and the creative.
anyway try using the 44 for input and output and get back to me and tell me if that works. also could you post your 44 control panel settings ?
thanks.
note - as far as i know the creative cards dont do proper 24 bit
as far as i know.
 
leachim , i just checked the pg site to hunt for more info for you ,and saw you had posted there. man has that site grown. lots of helpfull advice in the forums.
noticed a post from rharv there with the settings for you to use.
this guy is a long time user. i suggest you try his settings advice.
he is a great guy with huge amount of experience.
as i suspected it looks like your sound card settings.
also contact support like i suggested.
keep me posted.
 
manning1 said:
firstly - dont sweat this. its probably a setting in the 44.
yes powertracks will produce great mixes to burn to cd.
contact pg support. or the forum. these folks have been very helpfull to me in the past. support WILL get you working. they are extremely knowledgeable and seen it all before.
i'll try and help.
firstly which card failed the test ? the 44 or the creative ?
one thing that is confusing me is why are you choosing the creative for
output when the delta is a better card ?
see if this works. select the 44 for the inputs AND the outputs.
one point that could be an issue i'm wondering about is what rates are you operating at 16 bit or 24 bit ? make sure there isnt some possibility of
mismatches between the 44 and the creative.
anyway try using the 44 for input and output and get back to me and tell me if that works. also could you post your 44 control panel settings ?
thanks.
note - as far as i know the creative cards dont do proper 24 bit
as far as i know.


Have been trying to upload pictures of the delta 44 settings but files are too large........... I use the creative for output 'cus it comes out through my PC speakers - Yes I could use the 44, just means more cables......

Can't get much info on the Creative Soundblaster PCI card other than "Sample rate conversion quality" set to best, and "Hardware acceleration" set to full.

I have had a few PC crashes since installing ntrack and powertracks - just curious as this is a CEP forum, that you seem to be suggesting other progs...!!

Can't find a wave editor in these 2 demos - ntrack gives the opportunity to use an external one - (I used CEP), but the wave format was not supported.

How about cubase.......
 
well leachim - re crashes. this goes to memory probably again as i said before. programs need memory. frankly use what you like.
but as you can see both n track and powertracks have thousands of
users . so you KNOW they work.
the problem - and i think your going to run across it probably on any program you try from what ive seen so far with your system , is that modern programs need memory to run. i was just trying to help you find something that would help you without a memory upgrade.
frankly if powertracks even is crashing this surprises me as i have had it working even on low memory machines like yours.
unless your machine has some other quirk which i'm not aware of.
i have seen this situation before particularly on machines that have been
"handed down" between families. junk can build up over time.
out of interest do you have a build up *.tmp files on your system ?(use windows search). if you do - sometimes this or a rogue program unaware to you could impact performance. particularly if you use the internet a lot,
and unbeknownst to you a rogue program has placed itself on your system.
might be a good idea to try a system checker to see.
sure try other programs. another i like is multitrackstudio.com.
and magix music studio. i have had that running in only 128 mb ram even though your not supposed to run it on such low memory.
the problem is windows itself needs memory as well.
maybe as a final thought some pc's just are not suited to multitrack recording. yours could be one due to its age.
you might want to consider a modern athlon machine if you have the budget sometime. ive never had crashes. but then i use a moderrn pc.
sorry , and just trying to help.
 
by the way you can do tons of wave audio editing within both
n track and powertracks. particularly the latter that i use i never need another editor. its all in the user assistance files. just give them a read.
but maybe the demoes you dont get the full help files.
 
leachim - i got to thinking some more about your system now i had my supper.
out of curiosity .
1. have you owned this system yourself
since new ? or did you get it used. ?
the reason i ask is if you got it used , the previous user could
have left some program on your pc that unbeknownst to you
on boot up is initiating a background process or program that
is using some memory and other pc resources. is this a possibility ?
there have been many cases of this in the past ive seen as a tekkie.
maybe also it has used some form of chat program in the past ?
i tend not to use these. if there is some program operating
in the background unbeknownst to you, and its making some sort of system call , this might interrupt audio processes as well.

2. has the system been used for heavy internet downloading
use in the past ? if so - is it possible once again
that a "hidden" rogue program got downloaded unbeknownst that is consuming resources ?
in particular ive seen this in some cases with some systems where younger
family members have been doing heavy internet downloading.
in fact ive seen some good very fast systems really brought down like this.
a friend of mine just recently had to totally reload the pc
because of the foregoing as the system got so slow.
i realised what had happened. somehow one of the younger members of his
family had allowed a "rogue" to get downloaded without knowing it.

it is a good idea for your consideration in the future to
have one machine for internet use seperate from the pc used solely for daw sound work.

just some ideas.
 
Thanks again

The memory is actually 256 Mb of SDRAM - I suspect DDR would be quicker - although my Epox M/board won't take it, and they also suggest that it may not be wise to put any more than 256 on board anyway...?..it is about 3 or 4 years old.

Motherboard Properties:

Motherboard ID 10/26/2000-i440BX-W977TF-A69KPALC-00
Motherboard Name Epox EP-BX7+100

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel GTL+
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz
Effective Clock 100 MHz
Bandwidth 800 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type SDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz
Effective Clock 100 MHz
Bandwidth 800 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 1 ISA, 6 PCI, 1 AGP
RAM Slots 4 DIMM
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 240 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset i440BX
Extra Features Ultra-ATA/100, RAID

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name EPoX Computer Company


Ref rogue programme

I reguarly run a spyware checker, so can't think it is that. Is there a meter somewhere that measures memory useage in case something is stealing it ?

I searched for .tmp files and found 450 on the XP Drive.

Cheers
 
well firstly 450 tmp files is a ridiculous number.
this is on your own head/responsibility. but on my system i get rid of tmp files immediately.
any idea whats in these tmp files, and any idea how you got sooo
many ? have you had a lot of crashes ?
any idea whats in those tmp files ?
a word of caution. set up a seperate folder for all these tmp files.
called for example leachtmp. move them all to the new leachtmp folder so they are all in one place. then make sure all your normal programs run.
if all is ok and none of your programs burp then try deleting them
to the recycle bin in groups, and delete from the recycle bin. if windows on any file throws up a warning DONT DELETE THAT PARTICULAR FILE.
there are various utilities to measure system performance on the internet.
frankly i think your always going to have probs with this particular system.
particularly for modern multitracking. given the memory limitations.
the recommended basic memory running xp i always say is 512 ram.
then adding in the overhead of cool edit , which when i ran it while a fine program needs quite a bit of resources.
before signing the give up bell on this system, and out of curiosity try running the demo of magix music studio from magix.de on this system.
for all we know it might just work. ive found this particular program will work on some pretty low end machines. up to you. just an idea.
 
>try running the demo of magix music studio from magix.de on this system.
<

Damned if I can find the demo of MMS - do you have the correct url

Sorry to be a pain - oh, check your scales !

Cheers
 
its definitely there . click on the country tab. like uk for example.
if you have trouble finding it just google for SAMPLITUDE DEMO.
this is the higher end father of magix music studio.
 
I'm guessing you have an IRQ problem with the 44. M-audio cards are VERY picky about IRQ settings, and refuse to work (most notably in CEP, strangely enough) unless they're getting the resources they need. I cannot explain why it works in some programs and not others, but my guess is that it doesn't really work in the others, you just can't hear it.


Take out your unnecessary PCI cards (modem, etc) and move the Delta card to a different slot. M-audio support will help you manually change your IRQ settings (it's hard in ME). Everytime I talk to one of them, they suggest this as the problem, because it's consistently been an issue with their cards.
 
Chrisjob said:
I'm guessing you have an IRQ problem with the 44. M-audio cards are VERY picky about IRQ settings, and refuse to work (most notably in CEP, strangely enough) unless they're getting the resources they need. I cannot explain why it works in some programs and not others, but my guess is that it doesn't really work in the others, you just can't hear it.


Take out your unnecessary PCI cards (modem, etc) and move the Delta card to a different slot. M-audio support will help you manually change your IRQ settings (it's hard in ME). Everytime I talk to one of them, they suggest this as the problem, because it's consistently been an issue with their cards.


Does this mean anything to anyone then ?

DMA 02 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
DMA 03 Exclusive ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
DMA 04 Exclusive Direct memory access controller
IRQ 00 Exclusive System timer
IRQ 01 Exclusive Easy Internet Keyboard
IRQ 03 Exclusive Communications Port (COM2)
IRQ 04 Exclusive Communications Port (COM1)
IRQ 05 Shared Lucent Win Modem
IRQ 05 Shared HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
IRQ 05 Shared M-Audio Delta 44
IRQ 05 Shared Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
IRQ 06 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
IRQ 08 Exclusive System CMOS/real time clock
IRQ 09 Shared Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
IRQ 10 Shared Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
IRQ 10 Shared Creative AudioPCI (ES1371,ES1373) (WDM)
IRQ 10 Shared ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
IRQ 10 Shared ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
IRQ 10 Shared ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
IRQ 10 Shared Intel(r) 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 11 Shared Pinnacle DC10plus, Motion-JPEG VideoIO Board
IRQ 11 Shared Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
IRQ 11 Shared OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
IRQ 12 Exclusive PS/2 Compatible Mouse
IRQ 13 Exclusive Numeric data processor
IRQ 14 Exclusive Primary IDE Channel
IRQ 15 Exclusive Secondary IDE Channel
Memory 00000000-0009FFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 000A0000-000BFFFF Shared Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Memory 000A0000-000BFFFF Undetermined Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Memory 000A0000-000C87FF Shared PCI bus
Memory 000CF600-000CFFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 000F0000-000F7FFF Exclusive System board
Memory 000F8000-000FBFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 000FC000-000FFFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 00100000-0FFEFFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 0FFF0000-0FFFFFFF Exclusive System board
Memory 10000000-FFEFFFFF Shared PCI bus
Memory D8000000-DBFFFFFF Exclusive Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Memory DC000000-DC003FFF Exclusive Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Memory DC000000-DFFFFFFF Exclusive Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Memory DD000000-DD7FFFFF Exclusive Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Memory E0000000-E1FFFFFF Exclusive Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Memory E0000000-E1FFFFFF Exclusive Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Memory E4000000-E4000FFF Exclusive ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
Memory E4001000-E4001FFF Exclusive ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
Memory E4002000-E4002FFF Exclusive ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
Memory E4003000-E40030FF Exclusive Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Memory E4004000-E40047FF Exclusive OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Memory E4005000-E4005FFF Exclusive Pinnacle DC10plus, Motion-JPEG VideoIO Board
Memory E4006000-E40060FF Exclusive Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Memory E4007000-E40070FF Exclusive Lucent Win Modem
Memory FFFF0000-FFFFFFFF Exclusive System board
Port 0000-000F Exclusive Direct memory access controller
Port 0000-0CF7 Shared PCI bus
Port 0010-001F Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0020-0021 Exclusive Programmable interrupt controller
Port 0022-003F Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0040-0043 Exclusive System timer
Port 0044-005F Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0060-0060 Exclusive Easy Internet Keyboard
Port 0061-0061 Exclusive System speaker
Port 0062-0063 Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0064-0064 Exclusive Easy Internet Keyboard
Port 0065-006F Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0070-0073 Exclusive System CMOS/real time clock
Port 0074-007F Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0080-0090 Exclusive Direct memory access controller
Port 0091-0093 Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0094-009F Exclusive Direct memory access controller
Port 00A0-00A1 Exclusive Programmable interrupt controller
Port 00A2-00BF Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 00C0-00DF Exclusive Direct memory access controller
Port 00E0-00EF Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 00F0-00FF Exclusive Numeric data processor
Port 0170-0177 Exclusive Secondary IDE Channel
Port 01F0-01F7 Exclusive Primary IDE Channel
Port 0200-0207 Exclusive Game Port for Creative
Port 0274-0277 Exclusive ISAPNP Read Data Port
Port 0279-0279 Exclusive ISAPNP Read Data Port
Port 0294-0297 Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 02F8-02FF Exclusive Communications Port (COM2)
Port 0376-0376 Exclusive Secondary IDE Channel
Port 0378-037F Exclusive ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
Port 03B0-03BB Shared Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Port 03B0-03BB Undetermined Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Port 03C0-03DF Shared Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead LE
Port 03C0-03DF Undetermined Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller
Port 03F0-03F1 Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 03F2-03F5 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
Port 03F6-03F6 Exclusive Primary IDE Channel
Port 03F7-03F7 Exclusive Standard floppy disk controller
Port 03F8-03FF Exclusive Communications Port (COM1)
Port 04D0-04D1 Exclusive Motherboard resources
Port 0778-077B Exclusive ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
Port 0A79-0A79 Exclusive ISAPNP Read Data Port
Port 0D00-3FFF Shared PCI bus
Port 4042-4FFF Shared PCI bus
Port 5010-FFFF Shared PCI bus
Port 9000-901F Exclusive Intel(r) 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
Port 9400-9407 Exclusive Lucent Win Modem
Port 9800-98FF Exclusive Lucent Win Modem
Port 9C00-9C3F Exclusive Creative AudioPCI (ES1371,ES1373) (WDM)
Port A000-A01F Exclusive M-Audio Delta 44
Port A400-A40F Exclusive M-Audio Delta 44
Port A800-A80F Exclusive M-Audio Delta 44
Port AC00-AC3F Exclusive M-Audio Delta 44
Port B000-B0FF Exclusive Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Port B400-B407 Exclusive HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
Port B800-B803 Exclusive HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
Port BC00-BC07 Exclusive HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
Port C000-C003 Exclusive HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
Port C400-C4FF Exclusive HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller
Port F000-F00F Exclusive Intel(r) 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
 
my goodness leachim. i'm not surprised you have problems.
theres so much going on in this system.
looks like she is filled to the gills !!
who put this system together ?
i'm not sure this system is rescuable for modern multitrack recording as it stands.
if i was there with you i could try some things. but this bbs medium is difficult
at best.
could you please confirm what you have in your pci slots ?
looks to me like this machine has a bunch of devices.
the only thing i can suggest is to take your system to a pc tech ,
and free up some resources. so that the 44 is in a slot by itself.
with no other pci slots filled if thats possible.
theres mention also of things like raid , and win modem and ANOTHER SOUND CARD ? an old ensoniq audio pci card ? is one of these in a slot ?
please confirm whats in your pci slots.
 
manning1 said:
my goodness leachim. i'm not surprised you have problems.
theres so much going on in this system.
looks like she is filled to the gills !!
who put this system together ?
i'm not sure this system is rescuable for modern multitrack recording as it stands.
if i was there with you i could try some things. but this bbs medium is difficult
at best.
could you please confirm what you have in your pci slots ?
looks to me like this machine has a bunch of devices.
the only thing i can suggest is to take your system to a pc tech ,
and free up some resources. so that the 44 is in a slot by itself.
with no other pci slots filled if thats possible.
theres mention also of things like raid , and win modem and ANOTHER SOUND CARD ? an old ensoniq audio pci card ? is one of these in a slot ?
please confirm whats in your pci slots.


OK - I have 6 PCI devices

Creative Soundblaster
Pinnacle Video DC10Plus
Modem
Delta 44 Soundcard
Ethernet Card
Firewire/USB


Am talking to a shop which could replace the MoBoard with an uptodate one - may solve some probs - (don't want to create any tho)

Hope this helps
 
my goodness.
i bet that 44 is gasping.
the only thing i can think of at this point is to free up all pci slots except for the 44 in a slot. and see if that works.and heres a TIP - then gradually insert back the other pci devices one at a time till you get the problems back again. this will isolate the problematic pci device.
ie: start with the 44 all by its lonesome then add one device and test one at a time till you get a problem. i would also as you have a 44 see if the creative card is one issue and oust it.
ive seen this before in pc's. but then of course you loose your other functionality. or plan b keep this existing system for its current functionality but put the 44 in a a new system.
with respect , and i'm not being awkward in theory a lot of folks are sold on the idea of the do everything pc by computer manufacturers , and sometimes its doable,but often as times not.
i suspect as well as the low memory , one of the pci devices might be hogging the pci bus and causing problems for the 44.
just a suspicion.
 
Just downloaded windows update(d) drivers for my sound card.
No more clicks and pops!

CHECK WINDOWS UPDATE!
:)
A VERY HAPPY BAZZ RIGHT HERE
 
bazzlad said:
Just downloaded windows update(d) drivers for my sound card.
No more clicks and pops!

CHECK WINDOWS UPDATE!
:)
A VERY HAPPY BAZZ RIGHT HERE


Are you talking about SP2

What S.Card do you have, and when was the last time you did a windows update ?

Mine is upto date (except for SP2)

Cheers
 
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