PorterhouseMusic
Mitakuye Oyasin
The more I listen to this track the more I like it. Good stuff.
It's not a Beatles song, it's a John Lennon song that got turned into a project by the rest of the group. It's not Lennon's most tuneful composition but interesting because of the history.Ok, listened to it. They did a good job.
Tune’s ok. It’s no Eleanor Rigby, or the End, or Get back or, or, but it’s ok.
Exactly, it wasn't approved by John, and never would have been. Hence, it is not a Beatles song. Not silly, just the way it is.But it “not being a Beatle song” is also silly. The comments about the White Album are correct. And other albums. There were some songs where Paul wanted a very specific thing and asked them to play that specific thing. And he’d then record it himself if he didn’t like it the way George played or something—and I guess it happened again here.
There is more independent collaboration here than there are on multiple Beatle songs—even if it wasn’t approved by John.
Nah, this is just silly.Exactly, it wasn't approved by John, and never would have been. Hence, it is not a Beatles song. Not silly, just the way it is.
So, let's say Andrew Ridgeley was given an old tape that contained some songs George Michael had written, years after Wham had broken up. Andrew reworks them and calls them new Wham songs? George didn't write them with Wham in mind, why are they all the sudden Wham songs?
Why is this a Beatles song? The Beatles broke up years before John wrote this song, and I highly doubt he had the intention of labeling them a 'Beatles' song - ever. Is there some part of the dialogue that I'm unaware of? Did John Lennon say to his ex-bandmates, that he was working on a couple songs, and he'd really like for them to be worked on by George, Paul and Ringo, and then released under the name 'The Beatles'? Was John pushing for the Beatles to reunite back in the late 70's? No.
I think the whole thing is a travesty and in poor taste. Maybe Paul's losing it. Smearing the latest buzz-word 'AI' all over it just makes it that much more contemporarily meaningless and shallow. Sorry John.
Another thing I’ve been telling people recently is that this idea that music can be underrated or overrated is false.Haha! Now we can add Beatles to the list of divisive topics.
Topics such as politics, religion, analog versus digital and now the Beatles.
Shhhh. Don’t bring up the Beatles at the thanksgiving table this year
Nah, this is just silly.
If I had a song, and asked friends to collaborate on it, and I died midway through them recording their takes, that doesn’t it mean the project has to be scrapped. It’s up to the people who are still alive to decide that. I’m dead.
If I asked them to collaborate, and I heard their takes and I said, “I think it sounds…” and magically died mid sentence, that doesn’t mean it has to be scrapped. It’s up to them. I’m dead.
As for whether he intended to be a Beatles song, I don’t think that matters. It’s not like he’s a ghost getting super outraged that his wife handed his former band mates the tapes and is shaking his ghostly head at the end result.
When George and John were gone during the White Album, Paul recorded the entirety of Why Don’t We Do It In The Road with a little help from Ringo. George and John didn’t like that. It still made it on the White Album. Nobody says “it’s not a Beatles song” to that.
The argument that this isn’t a Beatles song is just nonsense. Rolling Stones released tons of material after members have died. Who are we people who have never been Beatles and have never had a single conversation with them to decide that this isn’t a Beatles song and is in poor taste? Nobodies that’s who.
All four Beatles are on it—three of them with the intention of it being a Beatles song. That’s way, way, better than Why Don’t We Do It In The Road.
When you’re dead, you don’t have a say in anything unless you have it in writing. That’s what wills are for. This nonsense that we nobodies know what a dead man would think if he’s watching over the whole situation as a ghost is head scratching.
John asked Paul, Ringo and George to collaborate on this song?
What happened while the Beatles were still together, is irrelevant. They were still 'The Beatles', and of course, trading off on instruments and finishing songs in the absence of others is common in all bands. That is not this scenario at all.
Your Rolling Stones comparison makes no sense. Yes, the Stones have released songs after members have died. Keyword - Members, i.e. the band is still an entity, and the member who died was an active member of that band, up until his death. Not an ex-member who has his own successful solo career and has no connection to previous band, expect for his past membership.
I can decide whatever I like. I've decided that this is a John Lennon composition, brought back into the spotlight, by Paul McCartney. Anyone who is familiar with The Beatles catalog, and the solo careers of Harrison, McCartney and Lennon, can clearly tell the difference between a Beatles song, and a Lennon song written long after the Beatles breakup. It doesn't do John justice to lump his composition, completely outside of the Beatles, as a 'Beatles' song.
Dunno. I’m not going to speculate like you are.If John were still alive, how do you think the release of this song would pan out with him not onboard? I know you will take the cut and dry viewpoint. He's not alive - so fuck him.
Rick Beato's take on it.
What you’re trying to covey seems to be understood. It’s just wrong or weak in many different forms.Yes, they could have called it a new song from ELO, featuring John Lennon on vocals. Who cares anymore. I guess what I'm trying to convey is not coming across very well. Enjoy the new 'Beatles' song!
Same. The Traveling Wilbury's vibe is something that occurred to me as well (I'm a fan). I read elsewhere someone mention they thought Lynn's involvement was probably to account for that. It's unclear to me how much of the final product still has his fingerprints on it - but it wouldn't surprise me.Tune is growing on me a little bit.
Rick’s take on it is pretty good.
Now, listening to it, I’m also getting a Traveling Wilburys production vibe.