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You just made the point for the south. While the south was oppressing slaves, they were being oppressed themselves by the north.

No doubt that's what they taught you in school down there, but that is not remotely accurate. The South was trying to oppress the North, not the other way around. The South was insisting on the North returning escaped slaves. They even passed a Federal law mandating it called the "Fugitive Slave Act" of 1850. Northern liberals were sick of being forced to comply with southern conservative's holocaust. The North passed state laws that contradicted the South's federal law. Then the two sides had the same debate over new territories. Then the South literally fired the first shots and started a war over it. Then they got their asses smashed by the North, and you all are still butthurt over it to this day and you register the butthurt by flying the butthurt flag of white butthurt supremacy.
 
No doubt that's what they taught you in school down there, but that is not remotely accurate. The South was trying to oppress the North, not the other way around. The South was insisting on the North returning escaped slaves. They even passed a Federal law mandating it called the "Fugitive Slave Act" of 1850. Northern liberals were sick of being forced to comply with southern conservative's holocaust. The North passed state laws that contradicted the South's federal law. Then the two sides had the same debate over new territories. Then the South literally fired the first shots and started a war over it. Then they got their asses smashed by the North, and you all are still butthurt over it to this day and you register the butthurt by flying the butthurt flag of white butthurt supremacy.

How did "the south" pass a federal law when the central federal government was in Washington DC?
The Confederate States of America came about after succession did they not?
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How did "the south" pass a federal law when the central federal government was in Washington DC?
The Confederate States of America came about after succession did they not?
:eatpopcorn:

The slave holding South started the civil war in 1861. The Fugitive Slave Act passed in 1850 - and this was merely one of several laws where the South imposed it's rules of slavery on the North. The South was opposed to State's rights - at least when it was convenient for them. Contrary to Southern history revision, the South had considerable representation within the Federal Government prior to the war.
 
The South started the civil war in 1861. The Fugitive Slave Act passed in 1850. Contrary to Southern White history revision, they had considerable representation within the Federal Government prior to the war.

So, the Congress of the United States of America passed the Fugitive Slave Act. Also, the US Congress passed the Missouri Compromise of 1820. deeming Missouri a slave state and Maine a free state.


OK...The US Congress is not "the south".

It was all a chess game as to the balance of power between the northern ans southern states. The South saw that more legislature being passed was going to be good for the northern states whose economy was already booming and it was going to be bad for the southern states who's economy was stalling. And Yes a lot of it revolved around slavery.

Individual states didn't like what was transpiring and felt they had the right to opt out of the USA. The federal government disagreed.
You can split hairs but John Brown actually fired the first shots at Harpers Ferry. The fort Sumpter attack came later.
 
Yup , this thread sure has some legs.☺

I aint complaining, its a interesting read.
 
Anyone can read the reasons for the war straight from the Southerners who started it (as opposed to the Southern whites who now pretend it was over something else entirely):

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

^^^Oddly enough, the issue of slavery is the foremost issue in these documents, whereas the words "tariff" and "state's rights" are nowhere to be found.
 
Anyone can read the reasons for the war straight from the Southerners who started it (as opposed to the Southern whites who now pretend it was over something else entirely):

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

^^^Oddly enough, the issue of slavery is the foremost issue in these documents, whereas the words "tariff" and "state's rights" are nowhere to be found.

Here's what Texas had to say on the matter in 1861:

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States.

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holdings States in their domestic institutions--a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color--a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a "higher law" than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offences, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

Their secession document was a one-pager that mentions slavery ~ 27 times. Currently they are teaching their children that the war was not over slavery and they fly the flag that was designed with these morals in mind. /facepalm
 
IBB, you're answering your own posts with something it looks like you copied and pasted from wikipedia....

I said a lot of it was over slavery.
take a chill pill.
 
Anyone can read the reasons for the war straight from the Southerners who started it (as opposed to the Southern whites who now pretend it was over something else entirely):

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

^^^Oddly enough, the issue of slavery is the foremost issue in these documents, whereas the words "tariff" and "state's rights" are nowhere to be found.
you seem to be stereo typing southern white people...
that's not a nice thing to do.
 
No doubt that's what they taught you in school down there, but that is not remotely accurate. The South was trying to oppress the North, not the other way around. The South was insisting on the North returning escaped slaves. They even passed a Federal law mandating it called the "Fugitive Slave Act" of 1850. Northern liberals were sick of being forced to comply with southern conservative's holocaust. The North passed state laws that contradicted the South's federal law. Then the two sides had the same debate over new territories. Then the South literally fired the first shots and started a war over it. Then they got their asses smashed by the North, and you all are still butthurt over it to this day and you register the butthurt by flying the butthurt flag of white butthurt supremacy.

This is why you ivory tower trust fund white guilt liberals should not be taken seriously. You are way too ignorant to be rational about any of this.
 
Next item on the Cave discussions agenda: The English Wars of the Roses. Is it right for Yorkshire people grow white roses in their gardens and Lancastrians red ones? Or vice versa?
 
Well that depends on what the Queen wants. The card men may have to go re-paint them in order to not lose their heads.
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historically the states that succeeded all filed succession papers and they all mentioned their rights to own slaves as a primary cause of succession. That's historical fact.

As for the flag everyone's verklumpt about .... that's not even the flag of the confederacy .... that flag bears little resemblance to the stars and bars which was the actual flag of the confederacy.

The flag southerners rally around these days was actually (if square ) the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and if rectangular was a confederate navy union jack.
It didn't come into wide spread use until the 60's when it was adopted by anti-integration groups.

So I guess southerners are proud of Virginia.
 
White roses are racist. Take them down!

LOL - I just realised - we're not in the Cave - it just seems that way!

I'm depressed that these kinds of threads are now allowed, or at least given leeway to develop a little, whereas light-hearted threads with stupid gags and off-topic ramblings are mercilessly sculpted because somebody has a bit of a blob-strop. Political threads and their unresolvable conflicts killed the Cave. They made the Cave an unpleasant place to hang out in and if they are allowed in Prime Time it will go the same way. They are tedious. They are pointless. They are depressing. They contribute no fun whatsoever to a discussion. My testicles are aching because of this. Please, please, think about my testicles.
 
LOL - I just realised - we're not in the Cave - it just seems that way!

I'm depressed that these kinds of threads are now allowed, or at least given leeway to develop a little, whereas light-hearted threads with stupid gags and off-topic ramblings are mercilessly sculpted because somebody has a bit of a blob-strop. Political threads and their unresolvable conflicts killed the Cave. They made the Cave an unpleasant place to hang out in and if they are allowed in Prime Time it will go the same way. They are tedious. They are pointless. They are depressing. They contribute no fun whatsoever to a discussion. My testicles are aching because of this. Please, please, think about my testicles.

You're right, and I'm ashamed at my own participation. Please pass my sincerest apologies on to your testicles.
 
LOL - I just realised - we're not in the Cave - it just seems that way!.....Please, please, think about my testicles.

I hold my hands up and apologise. I should've known better. Although, to be fair, this thread has been a bit tamer than it would have been had it been put in The Cave.

Now it's just ready for the bin. :thumbs up:
 
If anyone from across the pond is curious how a third of our citizens could be so hopelessly ignorant: The Southern White politicians in Texas's legislature are already working on the next generation of ignorant dupes, re-writing history:

THIS FALL, Texas schools will teach students that Moses played a bigger role in inspiring the Constitution than slavery did in starting the Civil War. The Lone Star State’s new social studies textbooks, deliberately written to play down slavery’s role in Southern history, do not threaten only Texans — they pose a danger to schoolchildren all over the country.

The Texas board of education adopted a revised social studies curriculum in 2010 after a fierce battle. When it came to social studies standards, conservatives championing causes from a focus on the biblical underpinnings of our legal system to a whitewashed picture of race in the United States won out. The guidelines for teaching Civil War history were particularly concerning: They teach that “sectionalism, states’ rights and slavery” — carefully ordered to stress the first two and shrug off the last — caused the conflict. Come August, the first textbooks catering to the changed curriculum will make their way to Texas classrooms.

It is alarming that 150 years after the Civil War’s end children are learning that slavery was, as one Texas board of education member put it in 2010, “a side issue.” No serious scholar agrees. Every additional issue at play in 1861 was secondary to slavery — not the other way around. By distorting history, Texas tells its students a dishonest and damaging story about the United States that prevents children from understanding the country today.

How Texas is whitewashing Civil War history - The Washington Post
 
Lol @ presenting opinion pieces as fact. You are the real duped idiot. :laughings:

Once again, this is why loudmouthed ignorant lefty trolls like you can't be taken seriously.
 
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