On a related topic, Pearl Jam has been releasing their live shows for download the day after the actual show for $10 or so. And they sound amazing!! I donloaded the mp3 which came w/ covers and photos to print out from the downloaded show. A great concept and a great revenue generator, plus I get to "re-live" the concert when I want.
Bootlegging
- Thread starter Jack Russell
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xstatic said:
...I think the whole point of releasing these recordings is to minimize and control bootlegging. Before this I think (correct me if I'm wrong) PJ invited concert goiers to record thier shows.
But, I agree if someone is selling a copy of a "home made" bootleg of a show that is one missed sale.
I don't really understand the point of the bootlegging thing.
TragikRemix
I am NOT a Gear Whore. ;)
its like movies...
some guy goes to the movies and sits there with a video camera and records it...
then he sells it for $5 for 3 dvd's.
in the middle, he humours us with some porno- some video footage of him taking a piss and screwing us out of that part of the movie.
soo bootleg= gayness.
some guy goes to the movies and sits there with a video camera and records it...
then he sells it for $5 for 3 dvd's.
in the middle, he humours us with some porno- some video footage of him taking a piss and screwing us out of that part of the movie.
soo bootleg= gayness.
lomky said:
i think a lot of tapers are wackoids that could be into starwars collectibles, pokeman, yu-gi-oh, dungeons and dragons, football cards, etc...but they're into taping instead. kinda like some recording freakoids who rarely record but own an assload of gear. it's an outlet for a gene gone wrong.
no offense to the bigger artists that complain about bootlegging, but stop charging 75-200 dollars a ticket and 50 bucks a tshirt perhaps people would have the $ to buy their precious records! this seems to be the normal price now. last big show i saw was in 86 - u2. 16.50. the shirt cost 20 if i remember correctly. there went the lawn mowing money.
i personally don't do it - i look at it like stealing.
my 2,
Mike
TragikRemix said:
A funny side story. My friend worked for a year in China in a film studio, they did alot of corporate and commercial work. He was working on a film. Even before the film was finished a co-worker bought a bootleg copy of the film. Now get this it was a DVD of a handicam version of the film that was being shown at an illegal screening!!
It's really easy to lower the cost of a big concert.... Cut back on production. The problem is that a lot of concert goers like the production. When a tour needs 3 seperate crews, 90+ 55' semi trailers etc... Tiocket prices have to go up. It's not cheap to have 90+ drivers, rent the vehicles, food, hotels etc... and thats before factoring in all the crew it takes, their meals and housing and transpo... 3 incredibly large lightin, video, backline and sound rigs etc... This is also a big part of the reason why a lot of those big artists get down to basics occasionally and play a good ol nitty gritty gig....
Maybe also remember that 1986 was 20 years ago. Not only does stuff cost more now, but expectations are higher. In addition to that, U2 was no where near the mega band they are now at that pont in time... Neither was the production.... Or crowd size... the bills... etc...
Maybe also remember that 1986 was 20 years ago. Not only does stuff cost more now, but expectations are higher. In addition to that, U2 was no where near the mega band they are now at that pont in time... Neither was the production.... Or crowd size... the bills... etc...
I tihnk it is really cool getting hold of the copies of these shows, and even cooler that the bands let folks record them. You can now download a good number of these bands who allow this from the internet. archive.org has a large number of these live recordings that the artists have approved to be downloaded for free. All sorts of cool stuff, the Dead, Drive By Truckers, Minutement, and a whole ton of other stuff. They also have public domain films and a crapload of other really fun stuff. If you want to check them out it is pretty sweet.
TragikRemix
I am NOT a Gear Whore. ;)
well, i guess some dude recording a live performance and putting it on you tube isnt a public offense.
i have no problem checking out those kinda movies, but ain't buying them..
i have no problem checking out those kinda movies, but ain't buying them..
I always took the term bootlegging as illlegally recording a live show with the intent to distribute for profit. That is so very very wrong. If you are just going to go home and listen to the tapes yourself or give your friend a copy then who really cares and well I am all for bands allowing taping. In fact I plan on getting a portable rig for just that occasion. Especially for all the jazz shows that I see. Jazz is a type of music that really lends itself to recording live. 1)the audience is generally much more quiet and respectful than a rock audience. 2)The rooms are smaller and therefore you generally arent recording the intruments amplified through a PA...this means you are actually capturing the sound of the room and musicians. 3) improvisation...group or even just solos...night in night out many different sounds cam come from the same chart.
also.....shhhhhhh don't tell anyone but I am an enormous Phish fan and well getting live recordings is a way of life for us. Though generally I prefer Phish when they are improvising rather than singing or playing the composed sections of songs.
also.....shhhhhhh don't tell anyone but I am an enormous Phish fan and well getting live recordings is a way of life for us. Though generally I prefer Phish when they are improvising rather than singing or playing the composed sections of songs.
peopleperson
I'm so sorry.
Bootlegging rules, that's all there is to it. Especially nowadays because with Bit Torrent in full swing, there's no money involved whatsoever. From what I understand (and I could be wrong), there's nothing illegal about it so long as no money is exchanged.
For me, I love it. I think it's fantastic to be able to hear a performance from a band I really like that happened less than three days ago. And beyond that, there's absolutely amazing stuff out there that for some reason isn't officially released. There's some live Dark Side of the Moon performances before the LP came out that are a must hear. My favorite all time though is there's a Talking Heads DVD with Adrian Belew and Bernie Worell that's simply one of the greatest band performances I've ever seen. Why that isn't officially out already is a tragedy.
For me, I love it. I think it's fantastic to be able to hear a performance from a band I really like that happened less than three days ago. And beyond that, there's absolutely amazing stuff out there that for some reason isn't officially released. There's some live Dark Side of the Moon performances before the LP came out that are a must hear. My favorite all time though is there's a Talking Heads DVD with Adrian Belew and Bernie Worell that's simply one of the greatest band performances I've ever seen. Why that isn't officially out already is a tragedy.
