citizenkeith
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Dr ZEE said:ah,
ATTITUDE IS everything.
I guess you have that covered.
Dr ZEE said:ah,
ATTITUDE IS everything.
I think this is a good way to approach a mix. That mindset will lead to interesting productions. However, if the listening environment is too flawed, the only place the mix will work is the room it was mixed in. The whole point behind any of this is to have the creativity translate to different environments so you can communicate it to other people. Otherwise it's just masturbation. (not that there is anything wrong with that)Dr ZEE said:"Maybe The reason why early rock was so interesting and rich when comparing with later and modern rock was because early rockers did not have any rockers to learn from." Another words there were no such thing as "rock music" before them, and so they had to and did base their music on their own "non-rock" musical roots and had to and did it their own way.
/respects
And so you create an environment in your mixing room which non of "other people" (people, you are trying to communicate with) have. So who's masturbating?Farview said:The whole point behind any of this is to have the creativity translate to different environments so you can communicate it to other people.
I agree. However, the fastest and easiest way to do that is by mixing in an environment that doesn't lie to you. I've worked in basements, attics, bedrooms, crappy control rooms and great control rooms, I can get the job done anywhere. It's always much easier and faster in a well controlled environment. There is nothing more maddening than having to mix against what you are hearing.Dr ZEE said:knowing how what you hear in what ever environment you mixing in translates from yours to various listening envirnments (covering at least! those environments, which you target (by musical genre as example)). In simple terms - producer's experience.
Right. That's the "model". Who would dare argue with this? The logic here is - get as close as possible to the "wire" (mixer's main out), which we often call - "what really IS in the mix" ("truth"-that is )....Farview said:... the fastest and easiest way to do that is by mixing in an environment that doesn't lie to you.
FALKEN said:the point Dr. Zee is trying to make is one I can understand. Ethan's site reads like you HAVE to have this stuff. Which isn't true. You don't have to. Apparently Dr. Zee doesn't have to. I don't even have to. But for me in my current room I prefer it. and Zee doesn't. why is there so much bickering on this board about personal preferences??? why don't we just argue about analog vs. digital too?
Hah! For "DO IT RIGHT or Die"-guys the industry never wastes a day. So no worry! Guesswork is for suckers of the pastcitizenkeith said:... if you're having trouble now, it's best to take the time and get your room in order. With basement studios and DIY treatments, it's tough to get it "perfect" (note the quotes), but it can certainly take 90% of the guesswork. It'll save you time in the long run.
Good luck!
..I love itThe first self aware monitoring system, they're the only choice for music,....
You do realize that recording studios were originally owned by record companies and engineers had to belong to the union. (they also had to have a degree in electrical engineering, you know, education) It was the 70's before independent recording studios started to spring up. Even then, the only people who were running these things were the same people that were running the record company owned studios. Even in the 80's, you had to know what you were doing and had to go through a rigorous 'brainwashing' interning for one of these electrical engineers-turned- studio owners.Dr ZEE said:The first phase of the transformation was already passed: engineers-artists/creators were "educated" and at large have been replaced by industry-professionals/career-engineers.
/respects
Farview said:It's called ringing the room. The only thing new about this is that the speaker does it on its own. Normally, you would use a calibrated mic, an RTA, and a graphic EQ and do it yourself.
Farview said:You do realize that recording studios were originally owned by record companies and engineers had to belong to the union. (they also had to have a degree in electrical engineering, you know, education) It was the 70's before independent recording studios started to spring up. Even then, the only people who were running these things were the same people that were running the record company owned studios. Even in the 80's, you had to know what you were doing and had to go through a rigorous 'brainwashing' interning for one of these electrical engineers-turned- studio owners.
It wasn't until the mid 90's that everyone who wanted to could open a studio. That's when things started going down hill.
My point was that until the mid 90's studios were mainly corporate entities working for the record companies. (movie houses, ad agancies, etc...)Dr ZEE said:oh!
and "opening" or "closing" a studio has nothing to do with music production process as a subject.
One man's "crappy listening environment" - the other's "normal natural circumstance".Farview said:I don't see how having a crappy listening environment lends itself to enhanced creativity. There are standards that just help things along.
heh heh I would not be so fast to assume thatrayc said:Both new in their head what they were after ....
Give up what? "Informing" the dark-minded population of ignorant rabbles from the woods about the "fact" that before "revolutionary"-90s "those who wanted could not"?Farview said:I give up.