Interesting. If we all thought like that, before buying any product from any company, we'd still be living in stick huts and grinding our wheat on two stones. If it's pure honesty and the way the company is doing business, the buyer would be in for a lifetime of constant letdowns.muttley said:[BPlease note: In the wonderful world of studio/live sound, it's hard to respect a company that does reverse engineering..............
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badgas said:Interesting. If we all thought like that, before buying any product from any company, we'd still be living in stick huts and grinding our wheat on two stones. If it's pure honesty and the way the company is doing business, the buyer would be in for a lifetime of constant letdowns.
I have a coke now and then, sometimes a pepsi. I don't condem the companies that make the crap because the sell to Arabia or Isreal
Yeah, and this quote has been used as the whip on dead horses so much it's frayed.wetteke said:there we go again!
Well, I hope your as critical of every product you buy as you are with the reverse engineering aspect.Fishmed said:The big problem about reverse engineering is that the company that does it, undercut the market from the company that actually did the development. Why is this bad, well for two reasons.
1. The company who's design is "stolen" cannot recoup their full potiential of the financial return from their design. No big deal? Well, if they lose sales they can raise their prices, but then they would only loose more market shares.
2. The other thing they can do is reduce their development costs; hence, less new devlopments. Not only does the company miss out on new products, but we the consumer miss out on them too.
So while reverse engineering seem cool in the short term, they can prevent new developments in the long term.
badgas said:Well, I hope your as critical of every product you buy as you are with the reverse engineering aspect.
There's no patents being broken. R&D in any industry relies heavely on R.I.
I have trouble accepting what your saying, as a reason to knock a product, or company.
Following your two points, the USA should repay Germany for lost revenue on Jet Engines, Rockets, Electronics, Optics, etc.
Naa, I don't buy that.
Ok.Fishmed said:First off, I do own a couple Behringer products. I am not an R&D engineer nor a lawyer so I can't validate what is actually developed by Behringer. United States' patents are not always enforced ouside of its borders.
Anyway, my rants are in resoponse to the reason why many members here "Bash" the company.
My beef with Reverse Engineering is when it is used soley to reproduce a product that is identical (other than cosmetics) to the original. I have no problem with Reverse Engineering as long as it is used with inovation to make something even better than the orginal.
Very true, Tex. It fills the nitch, along with the other budget mixers. But lets not forget that while comparing the other budget hunks of gear to Behringer, the other budget items are lacking in some way also. If not, they'd be a bit more expensive.TexRoadkill said:A friend of mine bought one of the UBFX mixers for live gigs and while it does the job the mic preamps are pretty stale and dull sounding. Using the same mics and speakers through my Ghost was a drastic and obvious improvement. Most Behringer owners aren't in the market for a Ghost but there are much better budget/compact mixers then the Behringers out there.
SmattyG said:there is a good chance that their abilities, and not the gear, will be the bottleneck in their system.
SmattyG said:Here's an analogy. I have a camera. It was about $50, and it takes pictures of me and my friends when we get drunk at parties, and help me remember all of the cool stuff I saw on vacation. I'm sure a lot of amateur 'photographers' would say "Why in gods name would you use that piece of crap? The green/yellows are grainy, the browns are muddy, and there is no defenition between hard objects!". My answer would be that taking pictures is not enough of a concern to me that I should spend $500 an a nicer SLR or something. If I wanted super high quality shots of the Rocky Mountains, I would go buy a coffee table book. I'm not a visual artist, I'm not a reporter. I'm just a dude that wants to remember what things generally looked like at one point in time. For that, my Behringer AutoCameraPro2000 (which is really a Samsung ripoff) is just fine