behringer sucks?
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Uncle Roel
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Behringer does suck. I have a mixer that's broken. I worked alot of their bigger mixers and they all had minor faults. I tried mixing (live) with the virtualizer stuff, and it's hell. The interface is just not workable in livesituations, and the sound is even worse. The first gig I did with it, I just didn't use any reverb. I didn't have the manual with me, and the presets were not usable. For editing you need a manual.
Then, their feedbackdestroyer is handy, but you need the manual to know what you are doing. The compressors and gates are very workable, I'm used to them alot. The autocom sucks though.
The ECM8000 are the best you can get for the price. Same for the DIs.
So in the end, you get what you pay for. If you pay behringer prices on a mixer or efx unit, it WILL suck. Some of the gear is very workable for the price though.
Then, their feedbackdestroyer is handy, but you need the manual to know what you are doing. The compressors and gates are very workable, I'm used to them alot. The autocom sucks though.
The ECM8000 are the best you can get for the price. Same for the DIs.
So in the end, you get what you pay for. If you pay behringer prices on a mixer or efx unit, it WILL suck. Some of the gear is very workable for the price though.
donkeystyle
New member
i have a behringer that i use for band practice and goofing off on my computer that has its stock soundcard............ but i wouldn't use it to record any bands.
when i record bands i use a mackie, but my friend bought a soundcraft a while back and i got to use it......sooooo much better for the same price ($1,000). my other friend let me borrow some of those cheap dbx tube mic pres a while back........those sound way better than the mackie also.
i'm thinking that i've outgrown the mackie..i'll continue using the behringer for band practice and goofing off, but the stuff i record that is intended to be sold or even given away will definitely not be recorded with the behringer.
when i record bands i use a mackie, but my friend bought a soundcraft a while back and i got to use it......sooooo much better for the same price ($1,000). my other friend let me borrow some of those cheap dbx tube mic pres a while back........those sound way better than the mackie also.
i'm thinking that i've outgrown the mackie..i'll continue using the behringer for band practice and goofing off, but the stuff i record that is intended to be sold or even given away will definitely not be recorded with the behringer.
LOPEZRECORDS
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Hey GAS!!! the parrot's are talking!!!
Yeah my friend at virgin records let me use his studio and wow !!!
it was way better than mine i think ill stick to mine thou......LOL...
POLLY OH POLLY........
donkeystyle said:
Yeah my friend at virgin records let me use his studio and wow !!!
it was way better than mine i think ill stick to mine thou......LOL...
POLLY OH POLLY........
sonicpaint
New member
How true...lol..I couldn't have said it better.
lol......This has to be one of the best and funniest posts I have read since I've been with this forum. I couldn't agree with you more badgas!
I just wanted to add something else. First the only thing I have that's Behringer is a headphone amp. The thing that I've noticed when people talk about Behringer is that they always talk about the lower end stuff from them. I mean if you look at the add for the Vertualizer, the description is quite broad. I wouldn't buy that thing if it had Focusrite on it with that description.
To me those enhancement units are useless. Just get the single units that do one job real well instead of something that does a lot of things bad. If you want something that is going to do that many things real well then don't think it's going to cost $100 bucks. Go and see what the Finalizer costs by TC Electronics, now that's a unit that will do many things very well. As someone said "you get what you pay for". People have to use common sense when buying gear.
I'm sure Behringer has some great products that cost a little more than most people expect from them. It's just unreal how many people go out and get gear with out being knowledgeable about what they are getting and how it stacks up against other companies in the same or close price range.
later,
sonicpaint
badgas said:
lol......This has to be one of the best and funniest posts I have read since I've been with this forum. I couldn't agree with you more badgas!
I just wanted to add something else. First the only thing I have that's Behringer is a headphone amp. The thing that I've noticed when people talk about Behringer is that they always talk about the lower end stuff from them. I mean if you look at the add for the Vertualizer, the description is quite broad. I wouldn't buy that thing if it had Focusrite on it with that description.
To me those enhancement units are useless. Just get the single units that do one job real well instead of something that does a lot of things bad. If you want something that is going to do that many things real well then don't think it's going to cost $100 bucks. Go and see what the Finalizer costs by TC Electronics, now that's a unit that will do many things very well. As someone said "you get what you pay for". People have to use common sense when buying gear.
I'm sure Behringer has some great products that cost a little more than most people expect from them. It's just unreal how many people go out and get gear with out being knowledgeable about what they are getting and how it stacks up against other companies in the same or close price range.
later,
sonicpaint
Behringer, like many similar companies, have many products - some very good and some not.
The style of Behringer is somewhat of a low-cost "we'll copy it" approach. Some find that fact hard to live with and others could care less.
I own two pieces of Behringer gear, a small mixer and a MIDI floor controller. Both have worked well since I got them some years ago. Our church has other Behringer mixers and they too have performed well.
I think their manuals are generally poorly written, and I don't care for the hype their leader includes in printed material, but paper doesn't make sound, the gear does.
It boils down to finding the gear that best suits your needs, whatever they be.
Ed
The style of Behringer is somewhat of a low-cost "we'll copy it" approach. Some find that fact hard to live with and others could care less.
I own two pieces of Behringer gear, a small mixer and a MIDI floor controller. Both have worked well since I got them some years ago. Our church has other Behringer mixers and they too have performed well.
I think their manuals are generally poorly written, and I don't care for the hype their leader includes in printed material, but paper doesn't make sound, the gear does.
It boils down to finding the gear that best suits your needs, whatever they be.
Ed
distortedrumble
all up in yo grill!
ok first off....Badgas is my new mentor..
LOL i love that...and I use the behringer 802 myself. i use the behringer 2442fx in church and another behringer is used at a club i book bands for sometimes www.acesbasement.com (shamless promoting there) the boards are all still kicking and the only problem i ever had with a board was at my old bass players house who bought a remanufactured mx9000 and the problem wasnt exactly fixed on the board....i would like to mention that weed was part of his daily diet so i dont know how much of the malfunction was his fault or the board's. so all in all i keep looking at behringer for the next thing i want...that also includes a 412 cabinet.....kinda wish behringer made a boss GT-6 but their VAMP is pretty good sounding too. i think of behringer more of a workhorse and mackie more of a prized mule.....same difference except one is more expensive.
LOL i love that...and I use the behringer 802 myself. i use the behringer 2442fx in church and another behringer is used at a club i book bands for sometimes www.acesbasement.com (shamless promoting there) the boards are all still kicking and the only problem i ever had with a board was at my old bass players house who bought a remanufactured mx9000 and the problem wasnt exactly fixed on the board....i would like to mention that weed was part of his daily diet so i dont know how much of the malfunction was his fault or the board's. so all in all i keep looking at behringer for the next thing i want...that also includes a 412 cabinet.....kinda wish behringer made a boss GT-6 but their VAMP is pretty good sounding too. i think of behringer more of a workhorse and mackie more of a prized mule.....same difference except one is more expensive.
SilentSound
New member
i have to do it..
i just did 2 mixes a few days ago, posted them in the mp3 mixing clinic and got fairly good reviews.. i guess i failed to mention that except vocals and bass guitar, behringer preamps on their new mackie vlzpro ripoff board were used. kik snare oh's rhythm guitar clean guitar etc. a TLAudio tube pre was used on bass and vocals.. EVERYTHING else was the cheap behringer.
check them out www.gertiefox.com/audio.shtml song are "burgundy" and "under the sun"
they are rough mixes we hastily posted because we have a little blurb about us in a magazine and expect hits on our site...
i just did 2 mixes a few days ago, posted them in the mp3 mixing clinic and got fairly good reviews.. i guess i failed to mention that except vocals and bass guitar, behringer preamps on their new mackie vlzpro ripoff board were used. kik snare oh's rhythm guitar clean guitar etc. a TLAudio tube pre was used on bass and vocals.. EVERYTHING else was the cheap behringer.
check them out www.gertiefox.com/audio.shtml song are "burgundy" and "under the sun"
they are rough mixes we hastily posted because we have a little blurb about us in a magazine and expect hits on our site...
SilentSound
New member
i have to do it..
i just did 2 mixes a few days ago, posted them in the mp3 mixing clinic and got fairly good reviews.. i guess i failed to mention that except vocals and bass guitar, behringer preamps on their new mackie vlzpro ripoff board were used. kik snare oh's rhythm guitar clean guitar etc. a TLAudio tube pre was used on bass and vocals.. EVERYTHING else was the cheap behringer.
check them out www.gertiefox.com/audio.shtml song are "burgundy" and "under the sun"
they are rough mixes we hastily posted because we have a little blurb about us in a magazine and expect hits on our site...
i just did 2 mixes a few days ago, posted them in the mp3 mixing clinic and got fairly good reviews.. i guess i failed to mention that except vocals and bass guitar, behringer preamps on their new mackie vlzpro ripoff board were used. kik snare oh's rhythm guitar clean guitar etc. a TLAudio tube pre was used on bass and vocals.. EVERYTHING else was the cheap behringer.
check them out www.gertiefox.com/audio.shtml song are "burgundy" and "under the sun"
they are rough mixes we hastily posted because we have a little blurb about us in a magazine and expect hits on our site...
CoolCat
Well-known member
...hmmmm
i have a sht budget and i have tried behringer stuff.
i didn't like the sound of the units i took home and tried.
the reverbs sounded thin and the compressor unit i didn't care for either, and the units I had were noisy. ssssshshhhhssssssh.
my home recordings sounded better with a dry, empty chain and a Shure 57 w/double tracking.
what i get from Behringer bashing is maybe a quality control issue, this happens alot in Manufacturing as they get cost greedy and the bean counters chop away at the powerless Engineers design. And when you make $69 products cost cutting must be fhkng horrendous as in sweat shops.
and the fact Behringer Marketing calls everything ULTRA-PRO-SUPER-PROFESSIONAL..lighten up it is funny?
IMO, The issue isn't Behringer specific, its getting the best bang for your hard earned buck...and many posts are just saying there are better pieces out there for the same $$.. whether used Lexicon reverbs or small fairly unknown companys (ie: the FMR/RNC) that are cheap but well built decent quality stuff per the "hard to please audio heads" here.
I think if you compare other units and by doing your homework of various "tested equipment articles" you'll find a few pieces that were rated well here, still in the cheap section$185 ie: DMP3Dual PreAmp...but maybe semi-pro quality.
even many of the Seniors with pro equipment say good things of certain microphones like the Studio Projects B1 $79.
so I don't think the Behringer slamming is anything but helpful opinions you can take or leave.
lighten up....go compare equipment or if broke like me listen to the gear pimps who've done the homework for us!
i have a sht budget and i have tried behringer stuff.
i didn't like the sound of the units i took home and tried.
the reverbs sounded thin and the compressor unit i didn't care for either, and the units I had were noisy. ssssshshhhhssssssh.
my home recordings sounded better with a dry, empty chain and a Shure 57 w/double tracking.
what i get from Behringer bashing is maybe a quality control issue, this happens alot in Manufacturing as they get cost greedy and the bean counters chop away at the powerless Engineers design. And when you make $69 products cost cutting must be fhkng horrendous as in sweat shops.
and the fact Behringer Marketing calls everything ULTRA-PRO-SUPER-PROFESSIONAL..lighten up it is funny?
IMO, The issue isn't Behringer specific, its getting the best bang for your hard earned buck...and many posts are just saying there are better pieces out there for the same $$.. whether used Lexicon reverbs or small fairly unknown companys (ie: the FMR/RNC) that are cheap but well built decent quality stuff per the "hard to please audio heads" here.
I think if you compare other units and by doing your homework of various "tested equipment articles" you'll find a few pieces that were rated well here, still in the cheap section$185 ie: DMP3Dual PreAmp...but maybe semi-pro quality.
even many of the Seniors with pro equipment say good things of certain microphones like the Studio Projects B1 $79.
so I don't think the Behringer slamming is anything but helpful opinions you can take or leave.
lighten up....go compare equipment or if broke like me listen to the gear pimps who've done the homework for us!
CoolCat
Well-known member
damn..
listened to your mixes sounded damn good to me.
i think you maybe giving Behringer credit for your talent?
sounds fhkg good...daaannngg...clean...
I played it backwards and it said "REGNIRHEB, REGNIRHEB, PROULTRA, PROULTRA,...PAUL MCARTNEY IS BEHRINGER, PAUL IS BEHRINGER DEAD...
<<STOP>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SOFTWARE INTERRUPT>>>>
the US GOVT!!! has deemed this THREAD ILLEGAL!!!>>>>
all recording of music without paying SONY or some other large company has been deemed AGAINST THE LAW>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>PLEASE SEND WHATEVER FINE MONEY YOU CAN TO COOLCAT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SilentSound said:
listened to your mixes sounded damn good to me.
i think you maybe giving Behringer credit for your talent?
sounds fhkg good...daaannngg...clean...
I played it backwards and it said "REGNIRHEB, REGNIRHEB, PROULTRA, PROULTRA,...PAUL MCARTNEY IS BEHRINGER, PAUL IS BEHRINGER DEAD...
<<STOP>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SOFTWARE INTERRUPT>>>>
the US GOVT!!! has deemed this THREAD ILLEGAL!!!>>>>
all recording of music without paying SONY or some other large company has been deemed AGAINST THE LAW>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>PLEASE SEND WHATEVER FINE MONEY YOU CAN TO COOLCAT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
re: back engineering
if behringer really back engineered thier products , wouldnt you think that they would tend to sound exactly or at least close to the products that were copied.
if they are so bad , someone should email them and tell them to copy somthing better.
every mixer that i have ever used has knobs and faders, those bastard back engineers are ruining every thing.
#9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9.
paul is dead , he is the walrus.
if behringer really back engineered thier products , wouldnt you think that they would tend to sound exactly or at least close to the products that were copied.
if they are so bad , someone should email them and tell them to copy somthing better.
every mixer that i have ever used has knobs and faders, those bastard back engineers are ruining every thing.
#9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9 #9.
paul is dead , he is the walrus.
theshaggyfreak
New member
Personally I think you have to find the ballance between equipment quality and skill. This goes more so for those of us who run on a budget. I have a friend of mine who in my eyes is the MacGyver of music. The guy can do anything with whatever he has to work with.
Another point is that like others have said, all companies have their good and bad equipment. Also, if you own a piece of a equipment by a company that breaks down or performs poorly, you'll probably be less likely to want to buy something by them again.
Another point is that like others have said, all companies have their good and bad equipment. Also, if you own a piece of a equipment by a company that breaks down or performs poorly, you'll probably be less likely to want to buy something by them again.
sonicpaint
New member
Good points!!
Good points shaggyfreak! I agree totally.
Good points shaggyfreak! I agree totally.
alien
New member
My beef with Behringer is the poor manufacturing. AS is my beef with Mackie.
They use surface mount 4560 op amps. This lil guy's are good opamps and very clean for pre's. The problem? They routed signals up underneath them. Some with 90 degree angles in the routes. A no-no in laying out a quality circuit board for audio or RF is no sqaure corners on the + paths. A corner is like an emitting antenna and can provide crosstalk into adjacent traces.
They also use low-grade mechanical components. A metal shafted hermatically sealed pot is preferrable over a plastic, open-faced pot anyday imo.
Also, their repair support lacks alot to be desired. It's a variance week to week what you cna order. The variance increases when it comes to what you can get repair parts for and how long it will take to get them.
Behringer, like Mackie, can provide a good sound. Just don't move 'em around too much. The low price is refelective of low cost components and manufacturing techniques. A schematic is one thing. A PCB drawing and assembly drawing are quite another. The parts list is highly refective of craftsmanship as well. You are getting what you pay for with the "Insta-board" prices....that's why Behringer scores low in my book as well as Mackie.
My console may not be the best in the world, but I'll use my old Soundtracs Solo series over anything I can order from Musician's Friend. Granted, my console retailed for $3995 new, but I paid $350 for it after it was pulled from a casino. I put about 2 days of work into it by cleaning sliders, cleaning the smoke funk off of all of the boards, cleaning switches and jack, and cleaning the housing. Also some cracked solder joints had developed over time adn those were repaired as well. Now, I've got a damn good 24X4X2 console with 6 aux sends, 4 stereo returns, and a full metal jacket on the back for alot less than I'd would have paid for the Behringer or Mackie equivalent. Plus, a regional parts representative can get me replacement parts overnight.
That's what makes for a good console. Sound, reliabilty, and support
They use surface mount 4560 op amps. This lil guy's are good opamps and very clean for pre's. The problem? They routed signals up underneath them. Some with 90 degree angles in the routes. A no-no in laying out a quality circuit board for audio or RF is no sqaure corners on the + paths. A corner is like an emitting antenna and can provide crosstalk into adjacent traces.
They also use low-grade mechanical components. A metal shafted hermatically sealed pot is preferrable over a plastic, open-faced pot anyday imo.
Also, their repair support lacks alot to be desired. It's a variance week to week what you cna order. The variance increases when it comes to what you can get repair parts for and how long it will take to get them.
Behringer, like Mackie, can provide a good sound. Just don't move 'em around too much. The low price is refelective of low cost components and manufacturing techniques. A schematic is one thing. A PCB drawing and assembly drawing are quite another. The parts list is highly refective of craftsmanship as well. You are getting what you pay for with the "Insta-board" prices....that's why Behringer scores low in my book as well as Mackie.
My console may not be the best in the world, but I'll use my old Soundtracs Solo series over anything I can order from Musician's Friend. Granted, my console retailed for $3995 new, but I paid $350 for it after it was pulled from a casino. I put about 2 days of work into it by cleaning sliders, cleaning the smoke funk off of all of the boards, cleaning switches and jack, and cleaning the housing. Also some cracked solder joints had developed over time adn those were repaired as well. Now, I've got a damn good 24X4X2 console with 6 aux sends, 4 stereo returns, and a full metal jacket on the back for alot less than I'd would have paid for the Behringer or Mackie equivalent. Plus, a regional parts representative can get me replacement parts overnight.
That's what makes for a good console. Sound, reliabilty, and support
alien
New member
My beef with Behringer is the poor manufacturing. AS is my beef with Mackie.
They use surface mount 4560 op amps. This lil guy's are good opamps and very clean for pre's. The problem? They routed signals up underneath them. Some with 90 degree angles in the routes. A no-no in laying out a quality circuit board for audio or RF is no sqaure corners on the + paths. A corner is like an emitting antenna and can provide crosstalk into adjacent traces.
They also use low-grade mechanical components. A metal shafted hermatically sealed pot is preferrable over a plastic, open-faced pot anyday imo.
Also, their repair support lacks alot to be desired. It's a variance week to week what you cna order. The variance increases when it comes to what you can get repair parts for and how long it will take to get them.
Behringer, like Mackie, can provide a good sound. Just don't move 'em around too much. The low price is refelective of low cost components and manufacturing techniques. A schematic is one thing. A PCB drawing and assembly drawing are quite another. The parts list is highly refective of craftsmanship as well. You are getting what you pay for with the "Insta-board" prices....that's why Behringer scores low in my book as well as Mackie.
My console may not be the best in the world, but I'll use my old Soundtracs Solo series over anything I can order from Musician's Friend. Granted, my console retailed for $3995 new, but I paid $350 for it after it was pulled from a casino. I put about 2 days of work into it by cleaning sliders, cleaning the smoke funk off of all of the boards, cleaning switches and jack, and cleaning the housing. Also some cracked solder joints had developed over time adn those were repaired as well. Now, I've got a damn good 24X4X2 console with 6 aux sends, 4 stereo returns, and a full metal jacket on the back for alot less than I'd would have paid for the Behringer or Mackie equivalent. Plus, a regional parts representative can get me replacement parts overnight.
That's what makes for a good console. Sound, reliabilty, and support
They use surface mount 4560 op amps. This lil guy's are good opamps and very clean for pre's. The problem? They routed signals up underneath them. Some with 90 degree angles in the routes. A no-no in laying out a quality circuit board for audio or RF is no sqaure corners on the + paths. A corner is like an emitting antenna and can provide crosstalk into adjacent traces.
They also use low-grade mechanical components. A metal shafted hermatically sealed pot is preferrable over a plastic, open-faced pot anyday imo.
Also, their repair support lacks alot to be desired. It's a variance week to week what you cna order. The variance increases when it comes to what you can get repair parts for and how long it will take to get them.
Behringer, like Mackie, can provide a good sound. Just don't move 'em around too much. The low price is refelective of low cost components and manufacturing techniques. A schematic is one thing. A PCB drawing and assembly drawing are quite another. The parts list is highly refective of craftsmanship as well. You are getting what you pay for with the "Insta-board" prices....that's why Behringer scores low in my book as well as Mackie.
My console may not be the best in the world, but I'll use my old Soundtracs Solo series over anything I can order from Musician's Friend. Granted, my console retailed for $3995 new, but I paid $350 for it after it was pulled from a casino. I put about 2 days of work into it by cleaning sliders, cleaning the smoke funk off of all of the boards, cleaning switches and jack, and cleaning the housing. Also some cracked solder joints had developed over time adn those were repaired as well. Now, I've got a damn good 24X4X2 console with 6 aux sends, 4 stereo returns, and a full metal jacket on the back for alot less than I'd would have paid for the Behringer or Mackie equivalent. Plus, a regional parts representative can get me replacement parts overnight.
That's what makes for a good console. Sound, reliabilty, and support
NobleSavage
New member
Behringer makes fine products that sound and work just EXACTLY like Behringer products. Much like Radiohead makes music that sounds exactly like Radiohead.
If you want a Mackie or whatever, buy a Mackie or whatever. And if you think the solution to making good music is in what brand gear you use... well, not much I can say to that.
It's like the whole Digital is amazing and wonderful phase of the early 80s. Which of course led to the Analog is better backlash. Which of course lead to the tracking in Analog, mixing in Digital return... Some prefer marshalls, others like a fender, yet others prefer a vox or a mesa. It's all about what your ears hear and how pleasing each tone is to you.
I've yet to have a negative Behringer experience. But then again, I also think amp modelers are ok and plugins can do just as much for my music as rack gear. But then again, I'm only trying to sound like me. If I wanted to sound like someone else, I'd probably ape their gear as close as possible.
If you want a Mackie or whatever, buy a Mackie or whatever. And if you think the solution to making good music is in what brand gear you use... well, not much I can say to that.
It's like the whole Digital is amazing and wonderful phase of the early 80s. Which of course led to the Analog is better backlash. Which of course lead to the tracking in Analog, mixing in Digital return... Some prefer marshalls, others like a fender, yet others prefer a vox or a mesa. It's all about what your ears hear and how pleasing each tone is to you.
I've yet to have a negative Behringer experience. But then again, I also think amp modelers are ok and plugins can do just as much for my music as rack gear. But then again, I'm only trying to sound like me. If I wanted to sound like someone else, I'd probably ape their gear as close as possible.
Behringer Bashing these days has sort of become a lost art.
It started years ago, and it was so vogue and fun to do. But times change and now Electronic Musican Magazine has given huge praises to their new digital mixer. Other reviews say the same things. I was thinking that one of the reasons Mackie went over seas was because of Behringer.
Regarding the reverse engineering and who cares? Apparently Mackie cares because they settled an out-of-court decision for an undisclosed amout.
It started years ago, and it was so vogue and fun to do. But times change and now Electronic Musican Magazine has given huge praises to their new digital mixer. Other reviews say the same things. I was thinking that one of the reasons Mackie went over seas was because of Behringer.
Regarding the reverse engineering and who cares? Apparently Mackie cares because they settled an out-of-court decision for an undisclosed amout.
Behringer Bashing these days has sort of become a lost art.
It started years ago, and it was so vogue and fun to do. But times change and now Electronic Musican Magazine has given huge praises to their new digital mixer. Other reviews say the same things. I was thinking that one of the reasons Mackie went over seas was because of Behringer.
Regarding the reverse engineering and who cares? Apparently Mackie cares because they settled an out-of-court decision for an undisclosed amout.
It started years ago, and it was so vogue and fun to do. But times change and now Electronic Musican Magazine has given huge praises to their new digital mixer. Other reviews say the same things. I was thinking that one of the reasons Mackie went over seas was because of Behringer.
Regarding the reverse engineering and who cares? Apparently Mackie cares because they settled an out-of-court decision for an undisclosed amout.