northern cali said:
man this is how it really goes,
not everybody who listens to rap cares about hip hop or any of that shit, they just want to hear dance music, their just casual listiners, n like i say, for all tha people who dont like it or think its not hip hop theres juss as much that do like it, and thinks its hip hop mucic in its purest form...
n if that dude grew up in tha era that he said he did hed know that hip hop was originaly simple dance music, for people who were gettin tired of disco, n liked this new sounding music they could party to,
check this out
the message came out in 1983, 13 years after hip hop was born, for almost a decade and a half, rap was nothing but party and club music, no creative lyricism, no multis, no metaphores, simmilies, or freestyles, just simple rapping that complimented the instrumentation
n people would complain n say, thats not music, thats not art, its just a fad...
so how could you say snap music isnt hip hop music when you dont even know what hip hop music was all about...
You know nothing of what you speak. Did you live it? No, you read about it... I've done extensive research on it, I lived a large part of it, I grew up in this culture. More than 90% of my life has been a part of this culture. You can't seem to grasp the totality of it's circumference, nor do you understand that this music is about culture first. Casual listeners, or "radio junkies" as I call them, have NO impact on this debate at all.
The casual listener has no bearing or impact on what is or isn't Hip-Hop. They turn on their radios and do what ClearChannel tells them to. They listen to what ClearChannel tells them is hot, and the purchase what is drilled into their mindless skulls. 95% of the populace are sheep. 3% challenge the norm, and 2% pave new paths.
Hip-Hop in it's inception, was made to appeal to the 5% (that's not a muslim term here) of the nation that said "F the system, we do what we want". It challenged the norm, it paved new paths in music, and it didn't care that the 95% hated them. Snap music is doing the same except it's not challenging anyone... It's paving it's own path, and saying "F the Hip-Hop system, we do what we want". It's funny, I met some of the Franchise Boys about 18 months ago right after "White Tee" had started to blow... They love hip-hop, and they love Rapping. But they told me that what they were doing wasn't really Hip-Hop. They couldn't describe it then... but I can see where they were coming from. It makes sense now. I'd call the Franchise Boys a lot closer to Rap than D4L, but I digress.
Here we are almost 30 years after Hip-Hop's birth, and the roles are completely reversed, because corporate theives got their paws on it, and deluted it to the point where the 95% are no longer threatened by it's existence. It doesn't challenege them, and it certainly doesn't require them to think outside the box. It's sad, really.
If you can honestly listen to Grand Master Flash, Kool Herc, Africa Bambattaa, etc... and not understand the mental challenges put forth in their music at that time period, you simply just don't get it. Nor will you ever get it. Yes, Hip-Hop was born out of keeping the party going by emcees spitting over loops from the DJ. It wasn't about rhyme scheme, technique or multi's. It was about keeping people on the dance floor.... AT THE PARTIES. But Hip-Hop on the corner, in the park, and in the community was WAY beyond that. It challenged the way people thought, acted, and reacted to their living situations. It stopped gang violence (Universal Zulu Nation anyone?) and began settling beefs with Battles on the mic. Hip-Hops inception was in the party scene, and it evolved into a culture. The culture moved far beyond the party, and Party Rap became a part of the culture it birthed.
You want to talk about the origins of hip-hop because you found an article about it's party origins online. Congrats for not being thorough in your research. Maybe you should investigate what Hip-Hop meant to the communities in the Bronx in the late seventies. How it changed the landscape of crime in their region, and how it influenced the youth to make better choices and reflect on the choices they were already making. How it challenged Government, and policies, and how it inspired a movement amongst the black populace.
I'll reiterate it for those of you who can't grasp it. Disco wasn't Motown. It was different. Snap Music isn't Hip-Hop, it's different. It's not even Rapping if you want to get technical about it, it's barely even rhyming. Snap Music is closer to House or Techno than it is Hip-Hop. So why won't you allow it to live and breathe in it's own right? Let it have it's own Genre, and let it live or die on it's own? Jeezy, Lil Flip, the Houston Scene, that's all Rap. It falls within the genre and fits in it's place. Snap music says "Screw your genre, I want to do this instead". Why won't you let it go? Do you want ownership of it because it's hot right now? Because it gets mainstream appeal? Because it makes money? Well, all those things spit in the face of what Hip-Hop is about... So if that's your reasoning, you aren't Hip-Hop either. You're a sell-out.
Ignorance perpetuates ignorance. Yet I wouldn't expect anyone who's into Snap music or Hyphy music to understand that. Just because you incorporate elements of the Hip-Hop culture into it, doesn't make it Hip-Hop. Let's call a spade a spade, and stop giving people more reasons to hate our culture than they already have. The fact that it's "Party Music" has no bearing on this discussion to me. Party Rap is Party Rap... (MC Hammer anyone?) and it will always have it's place on air, in the clubs, and in the parties. Snap Music doesn't fit into "Party Rap" for me and many other people living this Hip-Hop culture. People making Snap Music will even tell you it's not like Hip-Hop. But you keep insisting it is.
And seriously, if you think you're going to school someone on the culture, you're going to have to do some serious research on it.
Welcome to the Minstrel Show.
)
and I never brought up NY, why are you misquoting me? All I said is that it IS NOT HIPHOP!!! No matter how you slice it. Even as bad as you want it to be...There is NO such thing as NEW hip hop. Is it a form of RAP? YES......
