I really fucking hate this guy

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Greg_L said:
Riiiiight. Your angle is "why do we care?"

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no, its why are you so outraged about it.

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Sky Blue Lou said:
Oh but imagine the adulation from your friends and coworkers as you relate the andrenaline-fueled tale of taking down the charging wildebeest...on a game farm in Texas.

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I wasn't promoted it, just saying I believe I've seen this advertised someplace.
 
jokerone said:
I wasn't promoted it, just saying I believe I've seen this advertised someplace.
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Oh yeah. Game farms are big biz. I read recently that the record wild boar in Maine was shot by a teenage girl. There are no wild boar in Maine...except on the game farm where this one was shot.
 
ibleedburgundy said:
I agree "free" is the wrong word. There is no free lunch. Most Europeans pay less than half of what we pay for healthcare though - and their quality of care is just as good. When getting sick often bankrupts families, having low taxes is rather less awesome. Here in the states as recently as 2009 health and hospital fees were the primary cause of 60% of bankruptcy cases. In every other wealthy industrialized country that number is a fraction of that because they all have universal healthcare.
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I'm going to Denmark in about 4 weeks. I'll get sick and report back. Visiting some friends who've moved there for a year because the wife works for a Danish company and is on secondment.... he came back for a couple of weeks and we met up for coffee last weekend - he was less than glowing about Denmark's socialised healthcare in particular - said it wasn't really up with Australian, by a long chalk.

Also said that when he and the wife and kid arrived and filed their residency papers they were assigned a doctor. This is your doctor... you go to see him/her and no-one else. Tough if you can't get an appointment. Said one of the wife's Danish colleagues found a lump in her breast and was told the first time she could get a scan was in THREE MONTHS time. That's not good healthcare... you find a lump in your breast here you're getting scanned an hour later and you can find yourself talking to a surgeon very quickly indeed about a biopsy - like the next day.

His overall opinion of the country (and remember, he's Australian, and we're way left of the US generally in most things) was that it was way too socialist for his taste. And too cold, but that was a separate discussion... :eek:
 
Several things...

British Wallabies: Before moving to Australia I lived not far from Whipsnade Wild Animal Park in the UK. Wallabies escaped all the time and there was a sizeable wild population in the area. That'll be where the one at Toddington came from...it's just down the road from Whipsnade.

Lions as vicious killers: Yup, they kill and eat other animals. But guess what. When they're full they lie down and have a long nap--they don't keep hunting for fun.

Cecil story as a diversion from other news: You conspiracy theorists are about ten years behind the times. Know where the big mainstream media get their editorial agenda from? Us. Well, social media at least. I can guarantee that the editorial meetings at places like the BBC and CNN and the networks all had a discussion like "Hey, do you see all this Twitter traffic about a lion being shot? We better do something on that!". I'd heard about Cecil via Facebook long before it made the mainstream news. The same applies to ISIS and cops shooting unarmed guys. If you want coverage, Tweet up a storm!
 
A look at lion hunting in Zimbabwe - US News

So why do these countries allow it? The only possible law he may have broken is that he may have been guided to the game preserve. Which he probably had no idea. But from the above report, it appears this is legal.

Not sure of the outrage other than the lion had a name. Maybe the outrage should be directed at Zimbabwe for using these animals as a reason for tourism.
 
It's not just about what is "legal".
There's a lot of legal shit that is wrong....and at some point what's legal today is not legal tomorrow.

The real point is more personal...and there should be some thought given to the need for anyone to go purely for trophy hunting.
Something like deer hunting where it thins out the overgrown heard, and where much of the meat is consumed as food....has some level of acceptability...but hunting animals that have nothing to do with food or survival...and especially exotic animals that are getting closer to extinction...simply so someone can hang a head on a wall....well, it's kinda stupid in this day and age.
I think people can and should shed their need to kill something just for the pleasure of it all....

Oh...and the arguments that the money paid to take a trophy is used to help the rest of the animals...well fuck, just donate it if you are that worried about helping the animals. Why do you need to kill one in order to help the rest...???
 
miroslav said:
It's not just about what is "legal".
There's a lot of legal shit that is wrong....and at some point what's legal today is not legal tomorrow.

The real point is more personal...and there should be some thought given to the need for anyone to go purely for trophy hunting.
Something like deer hunting where it thins out the overgrown heard, and where much of the meat is consumed as food....has some level of acceptability...but hunting animals that have nothing to do with food or survival...and especially exotic animals that are getting closer to extinction...simply so someone can hang a head on a wall....well, it's kinda stupid in this day and age.
I think people can and should shed their need to kill something just for the pleasure of it all....

Oh...and the arguments that the money paid to take a trophy is used to help the rest of the animals...well fuck, just donate it if you are that worried about helping the animals. Why do you need to kill one in order to help the rest...???
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Well, it actually is about what is legal. Personal opinions are just that, personal. Maybe this will force Zimbabwe to change their laws, that would be a good thing, except for those that rely on this as a source of income.
 
I won't say with 100% certainty, but it appears it depends on where he shot the lion and, the guides that led him to the lion. I would assume they (the guides) would be or share the responsible for the legality of the kill.
 
JDOD said:
They won't manage it but they are trying to get him for it:
Zimbabwe 'seeks lion Cecil's killer' Walter Palmer from US - BBC News
To be fair, the guys a total prick but he's already closed his business - I think he's already learned his lesson and a pretty serious message has been sent out that needless trophey hunting isn't really considered acceptable these days. Ending up in a Zim prison is probably a bit harsh.
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I never understood the appeal of this kind of hunting, but hey I am just one guy who doesn't understand the appeal for a lot of things.

If he really did do something illegal, he should have to pay for it. But if he didn't and everyone just disagrees with what he did, that is totally different.

I do think this will hurt Zimbabwe's hunting tourism regardless of the final outcome. Maybe Zimbabwe will revisit their laws as well.
 
ez_willis said:
I'd like to see Walter J. Palmer of Eden Prairie Minnesota lose everything he owns and banished to live out the rest of his miserable days in a 3rd world shithole. Alone. After Anonymous goes after him hard. Real hard.
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He basically will ..... I imagine he'll have to move and even change his name. He's losing his business already and if a wacko gets it into his head, he could even be killed.
All because he has a tiny penis and wants to show what a 'man' he is by pretending to be a big hunter. He has animals like this brought to him so he can kill them.
He's a POS and deserves what he's getting.
 
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