vomithat said:
QUOTE:"long intros and build-up just annoy me."
Hmmm... right off, of course hes "right", in as much as Ive read and heard on here and other places a zillion times... you need to GRAB that listener reviewing thru a hundred pieces RIGHT away to have a chance...
*shrugs*
yet this is SAD. some of my FAVORITE songs I still like are long, a little drawn out, and might have the extended intro, the extended bridge, and later ON you get to the big "payoff". I like the "long epics", but really most people dont...
I think prolly/mostlikely most of "us" are here to songwrite the next top 40 hit on the radio, I figure either pop,rock, country, folk... whatever.
Me? *shrugs* I am an "odd duck" as I ended up trying to get into a sort of "big classial soundtrack number" sort of thing I am trying to learn to pull off... so, I quit worrying about writing lyrics and stuff, I just compose instrumentals, most of them classical-ish... very few "pop experiments" on the whole...
on the off chance ayone ELSE here is into such a *gasp* thing...
There ARE reasons for extended intros... and valid ones...
1) for an extended classical number, you CANT just "get right to it" and PLOP the hook down, I mean of course you CAN (GRIEG-Hall of the mountain king anyone?) , but, I myself almost expect a classical number to be a bit extended
2) reasons? well... the accepted guidelines (as there are no true RULES per se...) are that an intro, while not REQUIRED by any means, does serve purpose(s). Among them... they allow the composer to start with a "very light" theme that would otherwise be hard to use. Also, and for me the most important? Starting with an extended light intro, conspires to give the end piece more "weight"; it makes it more "substantial" of a track...
groups like Floyd straddle the fence between classical composer, and rock songwriter... they are "progressive". Old Queensryche, anyone? Dream theater? lol... even "soft rock" bands like Fleetwood Mac are thought to be "progressive" and the while the song is a toe tapper, theres something going on to make it more than the sum of its parts...
honestly, the "cookie cutter" 3-chords-an-the-truth approach to country/pop songs? are just a condensed, boiled down version of the not-so-humble "sonata form".
wherever "there" is... you can get there by ear, by trial and error, by studying classical and theory, by an older experienced hand helping you out... but "there" is still the same place, whichever path YOU TOOK to get there.
PS - personally, I find it VERY SAD to know that:
1) dont bore us, get to the chorus
2) if there aint a HOOK in the first 15-30 seconds, it goes in the trash... *no buildups*, *no late payoffs*
3) "you know all long songs are goo for? making OTHER peopel think its okay to write long, boring songs!"
*urp*
*puke*
and I just CANT shake the idea that there aren't more people out there like me in this desire... and it pains me to know that the next "floyd" or "queensryche" or "fleetwood mac" demos are going RIGHT into the garbage...
*shrugs* it is what it is, though...