what do you mean by bright, warm, colorful.

Better is relative. If you live in .us, Not likely. If you live in .uk, maybe. The 4040 is fine mic, if you can't "make" it work for you, perhaps nothing different can help your quest. I generally go with what I got, see what I need to alter (EQ) to achieve the goal, and go with a mic that meets "those" specs. Relatively... It's all about getting results "quickly" in the end. Time is money and all that corporate jazz.
 
Shadow_7 said:
KSM44 is a fine mic. If you can't make it work for your uses. Then the problem isn't the mic. (IMO)
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Id just like to spend money on a good mic then leave it a lone for a while and upgrade the rest of my equipment slowly, it would of been nice to have the at4040 along with the ksm44 which i may still do. Mic still works just some cosmetic damages, and i got till 2012 to return it so. have you toyed with both the ksm44 and the adk?

i know tthe new ksm44a seems to be a bit better. Or spec wise which one would you choose the ksm or the adk.
 
No toying yet. Just impressive specs and you'll see it often in behind the scenes footage. And near impossible to find bad samples of it in use.
 
Shadow_7 said:
No toying yet. Just impressive specs and you'll see it often in behind the scenes footage. And near impossible to find bad samples of it in use.
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Can you post some of those samples i have been searching. Also on that mic, i cant seem to find where you would change the patterns is it actually on the power supply? Also will i need to use that power supply then run it into my audio interface?
 
It should have the polar pattern pictures by it. Circle, 8, upside down heart, .... For the KSM44 it looks to be right at the base of the mic element on the main body on the front.

http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/ksm/ksm44-large-dual-diaphragm-microphone


You shouldn't have to look far for samples...

http://www.soundclick.com/avoidcontact

Not that you can tell which track the KSM44 is used on directly. Since most don't normally own ONLY that mic or MORE THAN ONE of said mic. At least not for us regular joes.

goto www.shure.com and search for "on tour with shure".

Lots of praise, but it is primarily an in studio mic. Not an on stage mic. Although you do see it on occasion. Grrr... I can't seem to find actual samples of it specifically without linking to that other site that I don't particularly like.

http://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2009/06/26/mic-comparison-four-more-clips/

Seems that sample H would be the KSM44, but I'm not about to comment to get the key. And I could be wrong.
 
Shadow_7 said:
It should have the polar pattern pictures by it. Circle, 8, upside down heart, .... For the KSM44 it looks to be right at the base of the mic element on the main body on the front.

http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/ksm/ksm44-large-dual-diaphragm-microphone


You shouldn't have to look far for samples...

http://www.soundclick.com/avoidcontact

Not that you can tell which track the KSM44 is used on directly. Since most don't normally own ONLY that mic or MORE THAN ONE of said mic. At least not for us regular joes.

goto www.shure.com and search for "on tour with shure".

Lots of praise, but it is primarily an in studio mic. Not an on stage mic. Although you do see it on occasion. Grrr... I can't seem to find actual samples of it specifically without linking to that other site that I don't particularly like.

http://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2009/06/26/mic-comparison-four-more-clips/

Seems that sample H would be the KSM44, but I'm not about to comment to get the key. And I could be wrong.
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I was really looking for samples of the adk, i was also talking about the adk's switches for the mutli pattern. But thanks for those shure ones.
 
From the ADK "?mic preamp?"?

Or did you mean AKG?

It's the AKG website that I don't like. 10MB of media rich content is an hour wait on dialup. Like I'm gonna wait an hour to select an image and then wait another hour just to look at the specs of your mics. I guess I get it confused with ADK at times. Not that I notice that much now that I'm on broadband. But it was a real PITA BITD.

ADK Area 51 TT
(I'll assume for now)

http://www.adkmic.com/specs/pdfs/Area51TT.pdf

A tube mic so probably colored. As in not transparent. 125dB SPL is kind of low. 76dB S/N is just okay. For studio and close micing I'm assuming. 18dB noise floor, not that that matters much in close micing situations. Why were you interested in this one? Need a mic that doubles as a baseball bat? 9 polar patterns? Why not an NT2000 with a variable knob for that?

It looks like some big / common names have used it.
http://www.adkmic.com/whouseswhat/

Heh. Sound Archives --- coming soon!

http://www.recording-microphones.co.uk/recording-Bass-Guitars.shtml
Click on the part 5 video

From the first page search results of google.com
 
Shadow_7 said:
From the ADK "?mic preamp?"?

Or did you mean AKG?

It's the AKG website that I don't like. 10MB of media rich content is an hour wait on dialup. Like I'm gonna wait an hour to select an image and then wait another hour just to look at the specs of your mics. I guess I get it confused with ADK at times. Not that I notice that much now that I'm on broadband. But it was a real PITA BITD.

ADK Area 51 TT
(I'll assume for now)

http://www.adkmic.com/specs/pdfs/Area51TT.pdf

A tube mic so probably colored. As in not transparent. 125dB SPL is kind of low. 76dB S/N is just okay. For studio and close micing I'm assuming. 18dB noise floor, not that that matters much in close micing situations. Why were you interested in this one? Need a mic that doubles as a baseball bat? 9 polar patterns? Why not an NT2000 with a variable knob for that?

It looks like some big / common names have used it.
http://www.adkmic.com/whouseswhat/

Heh. Sound Archives --- coming soon!

http://www.recording-microphones.co.uk/recording-Bass-Guitars.shtml
Click on the part 5 video

From the first page search results of google.com
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yes i was talking about the adk mainly the area 51 tt, thats my 2 choices right now adk and ksm and maybe the neumann tlm 49 if i could find a good price, thank you so much for all that information. you have been repped to the max.

on the area 51 tt i couldnt find the switches between omni multi and cardi.. I wish they had done vocal comparisons.
 
From what I saw of the A-51 TT, it was designed in the west (US?) and built in China copy of a U87. Not that it is a copy, but at 1/5th the price as the one place called it, how could it be?

If it lives up to the hype it should do well on vocals. There were only 3 main patterns, and some intermediate selections. If I recall the specs right. Military grade tube, sounds good to me. I've always been weary of tube mics since vacuums don't stay vacuums forever.

It's an illusive beast. The switch could be on the backside, or it could be on the tube box thing. Given the remote variable terminology.

Not that it's much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FkSE5fjYFc
ADK a51 TL
 
sotorious said:
it just seems it makes my tone flat, not really me. Im not sure to explain it, as i want a very good vocal mic, cause that is what i am mainly working on. ill look into the ADK mics.
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Before you buy another mic, try experimenting with placement more. Not just closer and farther, but also higher and lower, rotating the mic a little, moving it off to the side, etc. Even small changes in placement can make a *huge* difference in the way a mic sounds (more so with the cheaper mics), and big placement changes can completely alter the character of the recording.

You might just find that by adjusting placement, you can get a lot closer to what you want with your current mic than you're getting now. And from there, you can always add EQ to get the sound you're looking for.

Also be sure your room is reasonable. Reflections off of walls right behind the mic, for example, can really wreck the sound.

Only after everything else is ideal and you've experimented with placement and still not gotten the sound you're looking for should you buy a different mic. Just my $0.02.
 
I tend to agree. My STO-2's did alright on Tuba (or at least better) if I put them off axis about 45 degrees and about 3' out. In the line of fire, 6" or 6', sounded a bit useless to me, on that instrument. Not that I play much tuba, then, especially now (sold them all).

But... The more pricier mics are less sensitive to position. That's why they have good reps and other things, as it becomes increasingly hard to get bad recordings from them. Not a justification to throw $10K out the window when $150 will do you. But something to consider.
 
The question is what do YOU think of that mic. It's "YOUR" money.

* Large 1" (25mm) HF1 gold sputtered capsule
* On body control of polar pattern, HPF and PAD
* Three position variable polar pattern - Omni, Cardioid or Figure 8
* Three position variable High-Pass Filter - Flat, 40Hz or 80Hz
* Three position PAD - 0dB, -5dB or -10dB
* Ultra low noise, transformerless surface mount circuitry
* Wide dynamic range
* Internal capsule shock mounting

Power P48 (48V) phantom supply
Acoustic Principle Pressure, Pressure gradient
Directional Pattern Three position variable - Omni, Cardioid or Figure 8
Frequency range 20 Hz - 20 kHz
Output impedance 200Ω
Signal noise ratio 87 dB SPL (A - weighted per IEC651)
Equivalent noise 7 dB SPL (A - weighted per IEC651)
Maximum SPL 147dB SPL (@ 1kHz, 1% THD into 1KΩ load) (157dB with PAD at maximum)
Maximum output voltage +16dBu (@ 1kHz, 1% THD into 1KΩ load)
Sensitivity -36 dB re 1 Volt/Pascal (16 mV @ 94 dB SPL) +/- 2 dB @ 1kHz
Weight 860gm
Dimensions 209mmH x 55mmW x 55mmD

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For me, the noise floor looks good, and therefor the S/N ratio. The Max SPL handling looks great. And variable patterns too. What's not to love...?

At that price what's the catch? NT2000 seems favored OVER the nt2a. But at that noise spec and SPL, do I really need a pair of AT4022's? Not flat like your SDC options. Perhaps harder to shield from the wind. So what is the intended usage? The specs seem to suggest anything anywhere IMO for the nt2a. Not a fan of Rode in general. But if these come in matched pairs, I could learn to love them as a stepping stone to more expensive options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCzMwwBadJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZLQAnASzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POsR2RE62FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ_TzUVH6QQ
 
Shadow_7 said:
The question is what do YOU think of that mic. It's "YOUR" money.

* Large 1" (25mm) HF1 gold sputtered capsule
* On body control of polar pattern, HPF and PAD
* Three position variable polar pattern - Omni, Cardioid or Figure 8
* Three position variable High-Pass Filter - Flat, 40Hz or 80Hz
* Three position PAD - 0dB, -5dB or -10dB
* Ultra low noise, transformerless surface mount circuitry
* Wide dynamic range
* Internal capsule shock mounting

Power P48 (48V) phantom supply
Acoustic Principle Pressure, Pressure gradient
Directional Pattern Three position variable - Omni, Cardioid or Figure 8
Frequency range 20 Hz - 20 kHz
Output impedance 200Ω
Signal noise ratio 87 dB SPL (A - weighted per IEC651)
Equivalent noise 7 dB SPL (A - weighted per IEC651)
Maximum SPL 147dB SPL (@ 1kHz, 1% THD into 1KΩ load) (157dB with PAD at maximum)
Maximum output voltage +16dBu (@ 1kHz, 1% THD into 1KΩ load)
Sensitivity -36 dB re 1 Volt/Pascal (16 mV @ 94 dB SPL) +/- 2 dB @ 1kHz
Weight 860gm
Dimensions 209mmH x 55mmW x 55mmD

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For me, the noise floor looks good, and therefor the S/N ratio. The Max SPL handling looks great. And variable patterns too. What's not to love...?

At that price what's the catch? NT2000 seems favored OVER the nt2a. But at that noise spec and SPL, do I really need a pair of AT4022's? Not flat like your SDC options. Perhaps harder to shield from the wind. So what is the intended usage? The specs seem to suggest anything anywhere IMO for the nt2a. Not a fan of Rode in general. But if these come in matched pairs, I could learn to love them as a stepping stone to more expensive options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCzMwwBadJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZLQAnASzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POsR2RE62FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ_TzUVH6QQ
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I wish i could rep you a thousand times. now to make a decision before monday to go with the rode, ksm or the adk. I read mixed reviews from people but i guess on paper it looks pretty good. just hope i dont like it due to no returns on microphones. I also where people are recommending the nt2000 over the nt2a
 
At that other site I don't like much. Not so much a recommendation as it is, I never tried an NT2a because I went straight to the NT20000. The NT2000 is nice by the looks of it, but in terms of a stereo pair. Impossible to get variable anything to be "matched" except at maybe the OFF position. One should also note that a HPF is just another name for a low cut. High Pass are the frequencies you want to "KEEP", not remove.

One thing to consider. I just had my SECOND boom arm break. The first was a radio shack boom arm, kind of expected. The second a PROLINE boom arm. The joint where it threads onto the mic stand and then goes to the clutch, pop, and humpty had a great fall. I don't think the NT2000 or NT2a could have survived that fall, but my STO-2's, take a licking and keep on ticking. Meanwhile I've got to get irate on some guitar center vermin pretty soon. It messed up one of my stereo bars too. Of all the points of failure that could have happened. I didn't expect that one.
 
Base your decision on what sounds best to "YOU". If they all sound the same, then go with the most popular one that you can sell closest to "AT COSTS". Or whatever happens to show up used at a price that cannot be denied. Which is kind of how I got my STO-2's. I didn't know I wanted them until I saw them for sale (used). And it wasn't so much that they were for sale used, it's that soo many seemed interested in them. Past a certain price point anyway. And I couldn't find a sample of them that I didn't like.
 
Shadow_7 said:
Base your decision on what sounds best to "YOU". If they all sound the same, then go with the most popular one that you can sell closest to "AT COSTS". Or whatever happens to show up used at a price that cannot be denied. Which is kind of how I got my STO-2's. I didn't know I wanted them until I saw them for sale (used). And it wasn't so much that they were for sale used, it's that soo many seemed interested in them. Past a certain price point anyway. And I couldn't find a sample of them that I didn't like.
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Yea this is why i am researching my brains out but... I think i may have found my mic... Soundelux u195 i hear a lot of good things about this one. Also its versatility, with a fat switch. Only thing i hear is it cant handle to much dbs into it.
 
sotorious said:
Yea this is why i am researching my brains out but... I think i may have found my mic... Soundelux u195 i hear a lot of good things about this one. Also its versatility, with a fat switch. Only thing i hear is it cant handle to much dbs into it.
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Seems to be another copy of a U87, not really as it's less switchable, but seems on par by impressions. I hadn't really heard of it. Although it seems to be the mic to get in that $1K range. Some quirks with sibilance by reviews, otherwise a nice one. Lot's of U87 and U47 clones out there. But if you're after a U87, why not get a U87 (aside from the price)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYXAjpR40fc
(lots of Sss Ssss Sssss stuff in that one.)
 
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